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messageBassano street public meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by gerry September 28, 01:26PM

Thank you Sally.

messageRe: Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by October 03, 03:58PM

Both the Bassano Street and the Henslowe Road garage developments were granted permission at last night's planning meeting (1st October). This will bring much need Council housing to East Dulwich.

Councillor Charlie Smith
Goose Green Ward Member

messageRe: Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by Cora October 03, 04:23PM

Councillor Smith were any of the points raised in the application taken into account or was it just accepted with no changes?

messageRe: Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by gerry October 05, 04:33PM

The council reps decided it was acceptable to ignore their own planning guidelines regarding density and proximity to nearest houses. So it was most likely decided before the committee meeting.

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Posted by gerry October 05, 05:20PM

Density is 50% over the Council’s standard for East Dulwich but this was completely ignored by the committee. The architects designed for an urban setting when East Dulwich is designated suburban. Also completely ignored the impact on other residents. A shocking decision and an abdication of responsibility by our ward councillors, none of whom made any effort to understand concerns.

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by James Barber October 07, 06:37PM

Hi gerry, and other Bassanno residents.
Please accept my apologies for my part in this.
As one of the then Councillors for East Dulwich ward I proposed council housing for these two garages sites. I expected such housing to conform to the Southwark Plan which restricts density, heights, etc and respects our area as suburban.
Clearly the current council administration and more recently elected Councillors are happy with the areas suburban character not being respected. Hence the travesty of these approved schemes. Sorry.

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former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
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Posted by gerry October 07, 07:44PM

Thank you James. Your honesty is appreciated. The density of the planned development is 510 habitable rooms per hectare, versus Southwark’s Residential Design Standards of 200-350. The gardens will also be less than half the size required. Too crowded for the people who have to live in them and too crowded for the neighbourhood. Why does Southwark produce these plans and standards and then completely ignore them. I hope the current councillors for this ward are honest enough now to admit that they and the council regard East Dulwich as an urban area and not the suburban one we all thought we were living in. We will remember the lack of engagement of our local counsellors at the next election.

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Posted by Cora October 08, 11:39AM

James you have always been very supportive and worked hard with Planning Issues....for me it is a real sign of a bad democracy when planning departments are so ineffective and trawl out fake consultations. The Labour Council should be ashamed of the way these decisions are made...I too was not against using the space for more housing but that shouldn't mean a carte blanche approach regardless of issues brought up by the surrounding residents.

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Posted by jamesmcash October 09, 07:56AM

Hi all,

Throughout the design process I have been keen to hear the views of residents and I have ensured that the housing team have listened too. As a result of feedback the designs were altered to respond to concerns about privacy and light.

Let's be clear what density means: it refers to the number of people housed in a given footprint. Higher density can mean very tall buildings, inappropriate for a suburban setting, but it does not need to. In this case, the new council homes are going to be roughly the same height as the existing buildings.

The higher density is a response to the dire need for council homes. The council does not own much land that it can build on, particularly not in this part of the borough. So when we have some we want to make the best use of it! We wanted to focus on family homes, the lower density option would have been to go for flats for couples or single people.

I cannot wait to welcome four families into their new council homes. Decent council housing has the potential to transform lives.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by first mate October 09, 08:04AM

James McAsh, do you view this part of East Dulwich as urban or suburban?

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Posted by EPB October 09, 08:33AM

Are the councillors aware of the award-winning new council estate in Norwich ?

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Posted by gerry October 09, 08:57AM

Councillor McAsh, I am interested that you say that you have always been interested in taking account of the views of residents. You did not engage in any serious degree with the views of the Sage Mews residents. Nor were you or any of the other ward councillors at the planning committee meeting. Why does the Council set these standards and then drive a coach and horses through them? This development is between 50% and 100% over-sized as regards density. They could have had four 2-storey homes which would have met density standards and not overshadowed Sage Mews or three (instead of four) 3-storey homes which would also have met density standards. We all agree that more social housing is required. It should however be provided in a manner consistent with the Council’s published standards and without overwhelming other residents.

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Posted by Penguin68 October 09, 09:16AM

To go back to the question I asked (and have regularly continued to ask) - can you, do you, trust the council, its elected representatives or officials? Time and again what they say, or are meant to say, and what they do, part company. As regards their own housing density standards, this appears to be (another) case in point. I am sure the councillor feels he is doing good things - but local standards separate from him were set to allow us to judge that against fixed criteria. Housing density standards are not a starting point for debate, they are a rule, or rather not when it comes to Southwark apparently.

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Posted by gerry October 09, 09:26AM

Why bother to set policies and standards which everyone else has to abide by, but not the council? They can override whenever or wherever they like, without any consequences except to the local neighbours. There was never a need for consultations or objections. It seems we all wasted time and effort when the council had clearly decided on their own what they would do.

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by Cora October 09, 11:32AM

But James McAsh you're missing the point - This isn't about housing or not housing - It's about genuine consultation, compromise, engagement of community, effective planning rules and investing in good design. When people engage but feel they are just part of a PR exercise then they dis-engage, along with all those with views but not access, and democratic engagement is lost.....

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by LadyDeliah October 09, 03:47PM

This looks great. It's about time the council started building real council housing again.

I hope you manage to build many more.


Amanda

Jamesmcash Wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Throughout the design process I have been keen to
> hear the views of residents and I have ensured
> that the housing team have listened too. As a
> result of feedback the designs were altered to
> respond to concerns about privacy and light.
>
> Let's be clear what density means: it refers to
> the number of people housed in a given footprint.
> Higher density can mean very tall buildings,
> inappropriate for a suburban setting, but it does
> not need to. In this case, the new council homes
> are going to be roughly the same height as the
> existing buildings.
>
> The higher density is a response to the dire need
> for council homes. The council does not own much
> land that it can build on, particularly not in
> this part of the borough. So when we have some we
> want to make the best use of it! We wanted to
> focus on family homes, the lower density option
> would have been to go for flats for couples or
> single people.
>
> I cannot wait to welcome four families into their
> new council homes. Decent council housing has the
> potential to transform lives.
>
> Best wishes
> James

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by alice October 09, 04:08PM

Totally agree there Southwarks record is abysmal on council house building compared with other London boroughs but this is something.

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Posted by rch October 11, 03:56PM

Hi James... can you find out if this development is subject to CIL charges and, if so, how much?

Gerry... you may be interested in some intriguing background to this development, which I'll try to type out when I have more time...

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Robin
Twitter: @ex_cllr_rch

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by gerry October 12, 03:52PM

Thanks. I am very interested. I see you are an ex-counsellor. May I ask which ward you acted for?
Also what is the significance of council charges applied to this development? Thanks for getting in touch.

messageRe: Results of Bassano Street Committee Meeting 1st October 6.30pm
Posted by James Barber October 13, 11:11AM

When my lot ran the council we ensured such contentious planning application were heard in the local area by local councillor.
I can honestly say the scheme proposed and approved by a the current Labour council and it appears supported by local Labour councillors would never have been approved y Lib Dem local councillors. ON so many levels it is the wrong design for the wrong location.
We used to have local democracy for making such decision. This was stopped early on when Labour re took control of Southwark Council.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
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