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messageBrown bin collection - Council starting to charge?
Posted by slarti b March 18, 10:32AM

I have heard a rumour that the Council plan to introduce an annual charge for the large brown organic waste bins on the basis these are used mainly for garden waste. The small brown, food waste, ones will still be free.

I was told this will be effective from 1 April but I can see nothing on council web site and don't seem to have had anything through the door. Has anyone else heard of this?

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Posted by Penguin68 March 18, 10:57AM

I was also told by a (brown bin) man from Veolia. Charge of £60 or £80 annually. It looks like the council is planning a number of 'surprise' (never mentioned in the community charge leaflet) charges. So the leaflet will be (in so far as it states % rises) a lie - as the actual rise for many people will be higher (but because you can choose not to have garden waste collected, I suppose treated as discretionary). That's why I started a thread on Tooley St and trust.

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Posted by tomskip March 18, 01:18PM

Good. Hopefully people will get rid of their hideous large brown wheelie bins now and the streets and pavements will look a bit nicer. I'm convinced most of them contain 1 small bag of food waste most weeks anyway.

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Posted by rupert james March 18, 01:42PM

Take a look

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Posted by Sue March 18, 03:01PM

tomskip Wrote:
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> Good. Hopefully people will get rid of their
> hideous large brown wheelie bins now and the
> streets and pavements will look a bit nicer.


It's the bright blue ones which are the real eyesores.

At least green and brown are colours which occur in nature.

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Posted by Siduhe March 18, 05:42PM

Will be interesting to know if this also applies to collection of the garden waste bags? I assume it will have to, otherwise everyone will just swap to those. We don't have a brown bin but we do use the bags a few times a year. How will that be provided for?

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Posted by snoopy17 March 18, 05:43PM

people will.start dumping their garden waste in the green bin or on the street if they are no longer hoing to collect the rubbish.

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Posted by Penguin68 March 18, 05:49PM

We don't have a brown bin but we do use the bags a few times a year. How will that be provided for? You either pay an annual fee to have garden waste collected, or it isn't collected. As it was explained to me by the bin man. How they keep a record of who has paid is moot, of course. Indeed the management of this will cost more than they gain, particularly as they will have to provide everyone with the larger kerb side caddies - the kitchen caddy doesn't hold enough.

But this is still rumour and innuendo at this time, even if they are to start charging in April - as the householders know nothing official.

(And wouldn't, if it isn't true, of course!)

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Posted by Siduhe March 18, 06:13PM

Thanks Penguin68.

I'm sure that will be what they suggest - but it seems insane to charge someone who has 2-4 bags a year (mostly of leaves that blow into our front drive) the same as someone who fills a brown bin with grass and other garden stuff more regularly. Agree it will just lead to people dumping garden waste or mixing it in with other rubbish.

And edited to add, at the risk of picking an edge case to make a point - does that mean Southwark won't be collecting Christmas trees in January unless people have specifically paid for the brown bin collection? I can see that being something of an eyesore...



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Posted by tash b March 18, 06:26PM

tomskip Wrote:
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> Good. Hopefully people will get rid of their
> hideous large brown wheelie bins now and the
> streets and pavements will look a bit nicer.

Couldn’t agree with you more



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was march 18, 06:27pm by tash b.

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Posted by tomskip March 18, 07:15PM

We don't have a brown wheelie so we use the paper sacks (plus a compost heap in our garden). I'm sure it must be possible to work out a fair way to charge people for garden waste collection. What did we used to do before the brown wheelies?

Hopefully they can recycle all the old brown bins into smaller kerbside bins which people can keep outside their kitchen doors and therefore off the pavements/front gardens. We (family of 4 adults) put out one small bag of food waste per week, so even our kerbside caddy is never full. I'm aware I'm sounding like a right smugarse here, but we need to think hard about reducing waste generally.

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Posted by slarti b March 18, 09:49PM

I heard that, if you paid the fee, you would get a sticker for the brown bin. The paper sacks would continue but would need to be purchased.

I can see the logic in charging for what is effectively a garden waste service but there needs to be some advance communication about this and the implication thought though and explained.

Probably worth checking with local councillors, I may put something up on their thread.

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Posted by spider69 March 18, 10:12PM

What next, premium phone lines to ring the Council.

It is all getting a bit silly now.

You could get rid of my local Cllrs and save money, they would not be missed

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Posted by worldwiser March 18, 10:15PM

The stuff I put in the brown bin (aside from kitchen waste) consists entirely of leaves that blow into our garden from neighbouring properties. Why should I have to pay for that?!

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Posted by FriendsOfTheTerrapin March 19, 01:06AM

Any response from our elected councillors?

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Posted by Delainie March 19, 01:44AM

I was only speaking with a friend in Orpington who said she had to apply for a garden waste bin and is charged for it yearly.

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Posted by peckman March 19, 09:45AM

My bugbear is the size of the bloody things. Annoyingly if you have three they are just to big to line up neatly on an average front garden . Surely they should be smaller to account for you are using 3 separate bins

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Posted by BigED March 19, 10:54AM

People living in LB Lewisham have had to pay for a brown bin garden waste collection for a couple of years now. Can't remember exactly how much- £60-70, but it is only collected for part of the year (not much call from Nov to Feb, for example).

People with low need for this service seem to: hide their garden waste in among their household waste / acquire Southwark paper garden waste bags and leave them in the street / use normal bin bags and dump it in the street / or, like our near neighbours, throw it over the fence into the alley - presumably on the basis that if THEY can't see their garden waste then it doesn't exist. Oh, and very occasionally, people load up their car and go to the tip.

Lewisham council tip is more restrictive than Southwark - no rubble, no soil, no DIY waste - so it's a wonder they still take garden clippings. Christmas trees - if you live in LB Lewisham, there is no collection from homes - you have to drag your sorry tree to the nearest municipal park where they are eventually collected. But of course, some people find it easier to just dump them in the street. And others have a bonfire with them (in their gardens, not the street, though that wouldn't surprise me either).

Bulky waste collections - £15 for three items (quite a restrictive list) in Lewisham (fridges are £30, mattresses free, though people still dump them in the street); £16 for 10 items in Southwark.

When Southwark is as bad at refuse and recycling as Lewisham, you'll have my sympathy. Until then, I shall continue to dream of Southwark's waste and recycling paradise...

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Posted by Siduhe March 19, 11:00AM

slarti b Wrote:
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> I heard that, if you paid the fee, you would get a
> sticker for the brown bin. The paper sacks would
> continue but would need to be purchased.

Thanks - that at least seems to manage the position for people who only need to use the sacks a few times a year.

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Posted by Sue March 19, 11:43AM

peckman Wrote:
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> My bugbear is the size of the bloody things.
> Annoyingly if you have three they are just to big
> to line up neatly on an average front garden .
> Surely they should be smaller to account for you
> are using 3 separate bins


You can ask for a smaller bin for some of them.

I have a smaller green bin than the standard size, as I don't have much landfill. Just contact the council.

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Posted by peckman March 19, 12:11PM

Thanks sue . I'll try . Another bugbear is I've heard that the bins are actually imported from Holland and not from recycled plastic . We try out very best 're waste the recycling bin is full so is garden waste

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Posted by Penguin68 March 19, 12:13PM

There are cases to be made for differential charging for different services (although as I've sent no children to be state educated maybe I should have a discount - oh, it doesn't work like that?) - what I object to is to receive a very short letter from the council making claims about the levels of charge rise - which implies some sort of like for like comparison when (and if) they plan to increase the costs to me of the services I take from them over and above that level, because I could choose not to have garden waste removed (waste which they then compost for their own use!).

That (if that's their intention) is (or would be) simply duplicitous. The trouble is that I have so little trust of Southwark that I am quite happy to believe that they will lie and obfuscate in this manner. It's what I have come to expect. I hope the rumour is wrong - (which is not to say that I wouldn't wish them to make a case and debate such a change - just that the implied manner of what they are doing would sicken me if the rumour is true). The fact that none of their elected lackeys is prepared to bell this particular cat (either through their own ignorance or policy) really says it all.

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Posted by EDPineapple March 19, 12:29PM

Regarding asking the council for a smaller bin. Will they also take the bigger bin away?

I only have a large brown bin, so I use that for food waste. But as someone points out that does mean its only ever got one or two compostable bags of food waste in it. Not sure the collection guys like that, they often don't pick them out.



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Posted by cariad March 19, 12:41PM

Yes they will take the bigger bin away
I think there are 2 much smaller old waste bins. Either more than adequate

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Posted by DulwichFox March 19, 04:09PM

I think Southwark Council must have committees whose soul purpose is to dream up new schemes to raise money.
Most of these are aimed at Motorists, Parking and the like.

But we are told not to Pave over our gardens to improve drainage,
Encourage the growth greenery for insects, butterflies and Bees.

Then Ban the burning of garden waste with the possibility of Fines.
Then.. If we put garden waste in our garden waste bins we will now be charged.

Good Old Labour run Southwark Council.

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Posted by Penguin68 March 19, 04:26PM

Actually, when you consider the schemes are targeted on people with cars, with gardens, who live in the more suburban parts of the borough (where public transport is dire) - with parks, etc. etc. it's just good old fashioned class war - which is what you sign up for when and if you vote labour, particularly now with the changed regime at the top. And many will (and on these threads do) welcome exactly that. There are good economic reasons why class war is bad (and statistics show that currently there is more employment - and less wealth diversity - than in the past) but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

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Posted by Sue March 20, 05:08AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Good Old Labour run Southwark Council.


ALL councils, whoever runs them, are having to find ways of cutting costs and raising money because of government cuts in their funding.

Last time I looked we had a Tory government.

Maybe it's them you should be having a go at.

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Posted by Michael Palaeologus March 20, 08:02AM

There is something very wrong in how the recycling industry is structured.

We (the public) pay the Council to get rid of our rubbish. They have to recycle the rubbish and (usually) pay the private sector to remove and recycle the trash.

The private sector then sorts the rubbish into its recyclable elements and sell those on, usually to China, at a profit.

So the private sector gets paid to collect the raw material, processes it AND then gets paid for the sale of the end result.

Thats like BP getting paid to drill for oil or DeBeers being paid to dig for diamonds.

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Posted by 73jem March 20, 08:14AM

Just caught up with all this; someone asked what did we do before the brown bins --- at one time I used to have to put garden rubbish in black plastic bags and take it to the tip where it went in with general landfill.

We have moved on, thank goodness, and as some people do not have to dispose of garden rubbish it seems entirely reasonably that I should pay extra for this service.

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Posted by singalto March 20, 08:49AM

Why have we not been told this officially? I have just received my council tax bill informing me of a 2.99% increase but I see nothing about brown bin collection charges. What’s to stop people from putting stuff in neighbouring bins? What are the local councillors saying about it?

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