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messageUltra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Fitzgeraldo April 09, 10:09AM

Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021

I have every sympathy with Mayor Khan’s plans to reduce toxic fumes within an area boundaried by London's North and South Circular roads. However, as an impoverished pensioner and the owner of an elderly petrol-powered motor car, I am a little worried at the prospect of having to pay 12.50 per day to park outside my house. I require my motor car in order to visit my children, travel to friends and family who are spread around the country (not always conveniently placed for links via public transport) along with a range of other uses. Is anyone aware of plans for a scrappage scheme that applies to privately owned vehicles or, along with vast numbers of less-than -wealthy residents, will I be forced to give up ownership of a vehicle as a result of the crippling associated costs? How will this scheme be greeted by people even more impoverished than myself?

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by DulwichFox April 09, 11:02AM

The ULEZ is not going to make that much difference to Air Pollution in London.
People who need to travel and can afford it will pay it.

Poorer people who cannot afford to upgrade their vehicles will struggle to pay the charge.

If #Sadiq_Khan was serious about this being about lowering air pollution he should BAN older pollutig vehicles.
What he is saying is it's ok to pollute the air as long as you pay.

Certainly the Congestion charge has done nothing to ease Congestion. and the ULEZ will do very little to improve air quality.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Sally Eva April 09, 12:46PM

This is all I can find [automototale.com]

It's a scrappage scheme but it seems to be aimed at small businesses and charities. Some manufacturers do trade-in deals which might be worth looking into.

Car hire? taxis? It is expensive running a car -- easy to forget the overheads like insurance and maintenance and then the running costs seem neglible compared with the train. Older articles say the government considered a scrappage scheme but didn't go ahead with it.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by TheArtfulDogger April 09, 12:49PM

I was sent this petition over the weekend

[www.change.org]

Thought I would share it

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by goldilocks April 09, 01:34PM

have you checked on the portal that you will actually need to pay for your car? Petrol cars can be quite old and still qualify.

I do agree though that if the scheme is to meet its objectives a scrappage scheme would escalate this.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by bubbachumps April 09, 01:52PM

The ULEZ is vital to clean up London's air for the sake of our own health and that of future generations. Anyone with children or grandchildren living in this city should be delighted.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Sue April 09, 02:22PM

Fitzgeraldo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme
> October 2021
>
> I have every sympathy with Mayor Khan’s plans to
> reduce toxic fumes within an area boundaried by
> London's North and South Circular roads. However,
> as an impoverished pensioner and the owner of an
> elderly petrol-powered motor car, I am a little
> worried at the prospect of having to pay 12.50 per
> day to park outside my house. I require my motor
> car in order to visit my children, travel to
> friends and family who are spread around the
> country (not always conveniently placed for links
> via public transport) along with a range of other
> uses. Is anyone aware of plans for a scrappage
> scheme that applies to privately owned vehicles
> or, along with vast numbers of less-than -wealthy
> residents, will I be forced to give up ownership
> of a vehicle as a result of the crippling
> associated costs? How will this scheme be greeted
> by people even more impoverished than myself?


I'm all for reducing pollution, and I am in the same boat.

Not all elderly cars fail the emission test (as somebody says above, you can find out by putting the reg number into the ULEZ website) , but my regularly serviced Micra does.

I'm hoping not to have to scrap it. I'm hoping somebody who lives outside the ULEZ and isn't likely to travel into the ULEZ very often might take it off my hands.

My mechanic reckons my best bet would be to part exchange it at a dealers, but I'm not sure how that would work or whether a dealer would want it.

I don't know whether I will replace it or just hire a car when I need to, which would probably work out cheaper overall but be a lot less convenient.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by goldilocks April 09, 02:26PM

I also think that there is a big difference to the OP who is asking whether there is likely to be a scrappage scheme to help get older more polluting vehicles off the road, vs petitions to get rid of the ULEZ.

Relying on people's willingness to use cars less and car manufacturers to reduce emissions has clearly failed. Looking at daily air pollution reports, we are in a crisis situation. Whilst its clear that ULEZ on its own won't address the problems in their entirety, something has to be the first step and anything that makes people question whether the journey they are about to undertake in their car is required or could be managed in a different way could be an important step in improving air quality.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by DulwichFox April 09, 02:44PM

I scrapped my 23 year old car in Feb.

I got £84.00 for it. I also got refunds on Road Tax, Insurance, RAC Membership. Altogether about £600

I have a Freedom Pass and did not use the car much. Less than 800 miles a year. 15 miles a week

Foxy.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by ed_pete April 09, 05:27PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> The ULEZ is not going to make that much difference
> to Air Pollution in London.

That's pretty bold assertion Foxy, is it your opinion (like the dodgy electrics saga) or do have you something more objective you can share ?

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Townleygreen April 09, 05:29PM

Sue,
another option for you might be to join a car club like Zip, and just book one when you need it?

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Zebedee Tring April 09, 05:48PM

Foxy hates Sadiq Khan. Don't know why. Clearly he would prefer to have Bullsh***er Boris as London Mayor with his money wasting vanity projects.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by DulwichFox April 09, 05:50PM

ed_pete Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ULEZ is not going to make that much
> difference
> > to Air Pollution in London.
>
> That's pretty bold assertion Foxy, is it your
> opinion (like the dodgy electrics saga) or do have
> you something more objective you can share ?


Well for one thing Older cars like mine 23 years old but only 58,000 miles on the clock possibly less polluting
than some newer Gas Guzlers exempt from charge,
Many companies with old vehicles will have to pay and pass the cost onto their customers.

Much of the pollution does not come from engine emissions, it comes from Tyres and Brakes
20 mph zones has increased breaking and pollution.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by ed_pete April 09, 09:22PM

That's a no then.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Sue April 09, 10:33PM

Townleygreen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sue,
> another option for you might be to join a car club
> like Zip, and just book one when you need it?


It is indeed, but the problem with that is (I think?) that you can't leave a car in another town you are staying in and then use another car to come back.

So it would work out very expensive if you were staying somewhere for a few days but not using the car while you were there.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by edanna April 09, 10:53PM

Fitzgeraldo you would only pay when you actually drive the car, not when it’s parked.

Fitzgeraldo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme
> October 2021
>
> I have every sympathy with Mayor Khan’s plans to
> reduce toxic fumes within an area boundaried by
> London's North and South Circular roads. However,
> as an impoverished pensioner and the owner of an
> elderly petrol-powered motor car, I am a little
> worried at the prospect of having to pay 12.50 per
> day to park outside my house. I require my motor
> car in order to visit my children, travel to
> friends and family who are spread around the
> country (not always conveniently placed for links
> via public transport) along with a range of other
> uses. Is anyone aware of plans for a scrappage
> scheme that applies to privately owned vehicles
> or, along with vast numbers of less-than -wealthy
> residents, will I be forced to give up ownership
> of a vehicle as a result of the crippling
> associated costs? How will this scheme be greeted
> by people even more impoverished than myself?

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by bobbsy April 10, 08:26AM

It's not a great scheme IMHO. I read somewhere that the GLA only has authority to charge, but not to ban, hence the congestion charge and now the ulez charge. I also read that private vehicles only account for 2% of emissions within the zone. The bulk is buses, taxis, heavy vehicles. In my eyes it's a revenue raiser, not a bona-fide attempt at reducing pollution.

I also wonder at the merits of buying a car now that meets the emissions requirements - I would think the only way is for emissions controls to become heavier, thus while a car meets it now, it may not in a few years.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by goldilocks April 10, 09:55AM

Thats true - its often better for trips away to hire a car for a defined period. There are now lots of companies who will deliver to your door and collect too so its more convenient but it is a case of looking at it in the round as to whether its cost effective (if thats the criteria that you're using).


Sue Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Townleygreen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sue,
> > another option for you might be to join a car
> club
> > like Zip, and just book one when you need it?
>
>
> It is indeed, but the problem with that is (I
> think?) that you can't leave a car in another town
> you are staying in and then use another car to
> come back.
>
> So it would work out very expensive if you were
> staying somewhere for a few days but not using the
> car while you were there.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by minitonka April 10, 09:55AM

Well, any scheme that makes us think twice about using our car has to be a good thing. Sure it’s a revenue raiser, and hopefully the revenue can go into improved cycle lanes etc. Seems that the parameters are a bit arbitrary tho...
This is an interesting read: Old banger v diesel: Which is more toxic? [www.bbc.co.uk]


I am currently without a car as my husband now works away from home half the week. I’ve looked into zip cars and Ubers for the occasions where I might need a car... it is definitely cheaper than getting a car!

I want to change our old Auris for a Prius, but my god they’re pricey.

In a few years we’ll all be sharing self-drive vehicles won’t we?

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by George Orwell April 10, 10:26AM

I too am sceptical that the ULEZ will make much difference, certainly in the short term - maybe in 10 years ?

I see that stinky old diesel taxis will still be allowed !

[tfl.gov.uk]

The link is to the exemptions list.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 10, 10:27am by George Orwell.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by DulwichFox April 10, 10:42AM

I think it's worth mentioning that Many cars are simply driving through the zones.

Taxis are driving in the zone all day. Many Black Cabs will not go south of the river.

Is it fair to charge £24.00 (Congestion and ULEZ) just to drive through the Zone

When the Zone is extended it's going to be £12.50 to drive to Sainsburys and back.
By 2021 the charge is likely to of been increased. £15.00 ?? £17.50 ?? £20.00 ???
We have no control over it.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by walkingtall April 10, 07:05PM

I believe there are so many people unaware of this pending requirement if you use the following link you can enter the registration number of your vehicle and check to see if your vehicle will fail
[tfl.gov.uk]

what about all the boats on the river Thames are these going to become affected by this requirement and the amount of oil or fuel residue that floats on the top of my pond from aircraft that fly above my house it’s quite unbelievable this can’t be healthy but as always it’s the motorist that has to pay

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by Fitzgeraldo April 10, 10:55PM

My understanding is that whether your vehicle utilises the public roads or not, if it is present on a public road (parked or moving) within the boundaries of North or South Circular roads after October 2021, the owner will be charged 12.50 per day unless the vehicle meets the Mayor's emission criteria. Please advise if I have misunderstood.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by natty01295 April 11, 01:36AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 11, 01:38am by natty01295.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by AylwardS April 11, 07:56AM

Fitzgeraldo Wrote:
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> My understanding is that whether your vehicle
> utilises the public roads or not, if it is present
> on a public road (parked or moving) within the
> boundaries of North or South Circular roads after
> October 2021, the owner will be charged 12.50 per
> day unless the vehicle meets the Mayor's emission
> criteria. Please advise if I have misunderstood.


Fitzgeraldo my understanding is its aimed at reducing emissions so a parked car would not need to pay the charge only if it was driven. The TfL website for ULEZ only refers to driving
I found an article from a driving magazine from a few years ago that said TfL had said cars parked on the street in the ULEZ would not pay only if they were driven.
Details on how the extension will work have not been provided but levying the charge on vehicles that do not have the engine running would be a stretch of the emissions reasoning.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by kford April 11, 08:09AM

Allowing 15-year-old black cabs to continue is pathetic. I regularly follow 53/04/54 plate cabs belching out soot.

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by goldilocks April 11, 09:21AM

Totally agree re the black cabs point - they are driving around continually and claims such as 'all new cabs licensed have to meet the standard' misses the point It shows how strong the cabbie lobby is though!

To be clear - i'm in favour of measures to reduce pollution, so would prefer the ULEZ to go further in its application rather than be scrapped on account of its failings

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by ed_pete April 11, 09:26AM

kford Wrote:
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> Allowing 15-year-old black cabs to continue is
> pathetic. I regularly follow 53/04/54 plate cabs
> belching out soot.


Someone made an FOI request a few years ago asking TfL of the average age of black taxis. Less than 7% were 15 years old. 50% were between 7 and 8 years old.

[www.whatdotheyknow.com]

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by natty01295 April 11, 09:12PM

Motorcycles,Scooter Riders Moped Riders should be Exempt

messageRe: Ultra Low Emission Zone – extension of scheme October 2021
Posted by cella April 12, 12:53AM

Why?

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