I did hear from one councillor that further consultations will be made with residents around the station area as to whether it is to be an all day or part day CPZ - I got the impression that Southwark were looking at a 11 - 1 pm CPZ.
Also you notice in the consultation that schools had raised concerns that a CPZ will have an impact of teacher recruitment/stability.
Can you please find out if the whole day CPZ does not come into place and it is reduced to 2 hours as was the majority vote how the council plan to deal with the problem of people parking and then paying at a later time. I am aware of several people who park at Herne Hill and set phone alarm reminders to pay for the parking at noon.
Surely a 'no return within [a certain time period]', as is common on many signs, would ensure that the driver has to move the car?
> Hi James
> Can you please find out if the whole day CPZ does
> not come into place and it is reduced to 2 hours
> as was the majority vote how the council plan to
> deal with the problem of people parking and then
> paying at a later time. I am aware of several
> people who park at Herne Hill and set phone alarm
> reminders to pay for the parking at noon.
> Thank you
You need to look at the proposals for the street you are concerned about on this. Herne Hill May all be resident or pay and display, the East Dulwich cpz were a mix of pay and display only, resident only, and pay and display and residents only. The latter category would be affected in the scenario you describe.
The "no return rule" will only work if the maximum parking period is less than the CPZ hours. E.g CPZ operates 12-2pm; maximum pay to park time 1 hour. If you are allowed to park for the full controlled period, you can park all day and pay by phone.
There is however another problem. Some of the pay to park bays, e.g. by the shops at the North section of Melbourne Grove, are also open to resident permit holders. With the loss of parking space from double yellow lines, residents will, no doubt, occupy those dual purpose bays. A resident weekend driver could block a dual purpose bay for the whole week, leaving no space for shoppers.
Short term, however that may not come to light. Residents do not all immediately buy their permits. Why buy a permit
if you can park a few streets away for free. When the CPZ starts, the Council can take nice photos to show 40% reduction in parked cars to prove it "works", with neighbouring streets parked to capacity, so the council can take lovely photos to show the nightmare of uncontrolled parking.
Weíve seen a substantial increase in council tax, an unwanted CPZ is creeping in, we are going to be charge for the disposal of garden waste and parking charges in our local parks is being introduced. What else can the council charge for next? Oh well, we have the extended ULEZ to look forward to!
Now I'm being really dim - I clicked on the link in the OP - where is this overview map? Which page? All I see is Fig 2, 3 etc - each with roads highlighted in red blue or green. I don't see a key anywhere.
But I'll be happy if somebody just tells me:
Green = ?
Blue = ?
Red = ?
> Reg, there's an "overview map" which includes the
> key, and shows the layout of maps 1-5
Reg Smeeton Wrote:
> Now I'm being really dim - I clicked on the link
> in the OP - where is this overview map? Which
> page? All I see is Fig 2, 3 etc - each with roads
> highlighted in red blue or green. I don't see a
> key anywhere.
> But I'll be happy if somebody just tells me:
> Green = ?
> Blue = ?
> Red = ?
Figure 2 shows, based on responses, majority support in green, majority against in red, and undecided in blue.
1921 As has been said a no return rule will stop people paying to park from parking and then setting a reminder as it stops a vehicle parking all day. The same no return rule can be applied to either shared use or paid for bays. The order for zone Q (Dog Kennel Hill) has the following and Iíd expect a similar provision in the East Dulwich CPZ order if itís part day.
ďto provide 'shared-use' parking places, in which either:- (i) vehicles which have paid the parking charge of £2.75 per hour (using 'Pay by Phone') may be left for up to two hours (provided no vehicle may return to a parking place on that same day), or (ii) vehicles issued with a valid residents' permit, valid business permit or valid visitors' permit may be left without time limit, between the hours of 11 am and 1 pm on Mondays to Fridays inclusive, in:Ē
As you can see no vehicle that has paid can not stay more than the two hour limit, I believe someone could park in the morning, call and pay but when the paid for time was up they canít park any longer in the same place so could not park all day. We donít live in one of the roads with bays but there certainly was nothing said on here after the zone was introduced to indicate problems with people parking all day. Residents or their visitors with a permit can stay as long as they need. I think that should stop what you ask about.
"Providing no vehicle may return to a parking place on that same day"
So the parking charges operate for 2 hours - 11am to 1pm. But, even if you pay to park for those 2 hours you can then be fined for staying for more than 2, or returning, any time on the same day, when the parking is free.
"no vehicle" includes permit holders, so they could also be fined, for using a shared space twice in a day.
That looks like not a 2 hour/5 day but a 24/7 restriction. Would it allow free parking from 1.01pm till midnight?
It does, however seem that residents can't totally block the shared-use bay, so along with all the double yellow lines residents are losing quite a lot of parking.
Yes no doubt this is what it's all about - CPZ, charging for brown bins, the council is trying to generate as much money as it can.
The reason should be obvious. Councils have been absolutely gutted financially by successive governments' austerity cutting the money they get from central government and capping the amount they can charge in council tax. Nonetheless Southwark council has obligations to provide critical services and so it looks for every penny it can get.
I don't blame them exactly, but I think it would be more honest (and more efficient) just to take the money in council tax - if they were allowed. Doing it this way creates hassle and bureaucracy, and causes a deterrent effect on our high street.
the council is trying to generate as much money as it can
And it is doing so in parts of the budget which are not open to outside scrutiny - it could increase charges 1000 fold and nothing (local elections apart) could stop them. As long as their main electorate is not damaged themselves directly by these charges (i.e. don't have gardens or cars) they will remain in power indefinitely, redistributing wealth as they see fit. The Council Tax is of course open to scrutiny, and central government oversight, which is why they are moving such things as waste collection out of that space whilst they can, actually against government advice.
We have all seen examples of waste (this scheme is one of them, the costs will surely outweigh any revenues, at least in this fiscal) - but this is all about moving charges away from any central control, when 'small' fees can swiftly become big ones.
It's the council's own version of left-wing privatisation - take something that was previously funded centrally and pass the cost on to those deemed able to afford it (CPZ, garden waste bins, park car parking).
They are at pains to point out that they cannot use money raised from, say, the CPZ or parking fines to fund other services so, at the end of every year, have to fritter their £7m+ surplus on white-elephant projects like the replacement of paving slabs and kerbs across the East Dulwich ward, which is ongoing at present.
I very much suspect that should a Labour government prevail at the next election those rules of redistribution of raised funds will be loosened and anyone deemed wealthy enough to own, say, a car or garden will find such things are but the tip of the stealth-tax iceberg.
The damage the current Labour party is doing to itself is that it is so far left that many are crying out for a more centrist option and the problem is rife throughout the party and running (through Momentum) to local council officials and policy. East Dulwich (and other such areas that have been rejuvenated) are seen as fair game and a resource fit for harvesting. At the macro level this is why rumours of a leadership challenge are starting to circulate as elements within try desperately to pull power away from the unions and the Marxists and back towards a more centrist (and they believe more electable) stance.