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A parking zone ?Melbourne Grove zone? to be implemented in the

area bordered by and including Grove Vale, by the western

boundary of the study area, by and excluding Lordship Lane and

excluding a small group of side streets to Melbourne Grove in the

south of the area (Lytcott Grove, Playfield Crescent and Colwell

Road).

There was majority support (54%) for a

zone from respondents in this area

Melbourne Grove zone to operate all day 8.30am to 6.30pm,

Monday to Friday comprising different types of bays including

permit and paid (visitors able to pay for up to 4 hours, ?2.75 per

hour for petrol, ?3.25 per hour for diesel), short stay bays (see



It's the whitewash many of us feared.....the fact that it is all day makes no sense as commuter parking would be impacted by a two-hour timing just as much all day. The council is showing this is nothing about the issue but all about money and that they care not on jot for Lordship Lane as a thriving business community....

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@Redpost - not strictly true, of the whole area the study said:

The overall response showed the majority of those who responded (69%) were against a parking zone, 25%

wanting a zone and 6% were undecided. It's only in the "Melbourne Grove" area that the 54% figure applied and within that area "14 streets were in favour of a parking zone, 12 were not in favour and 8 were undecided."

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Errr not really RedPost....of the 2,244 people who responded to the consultation document who live within the boundary area 69% voted against it.


The 54% figure you state is the council's cherry-picking of supportive responses to justify the implementation in a subset of the overall consultation area....they have cut the area to give them the justification they need.

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redpost Wrote:

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> The silent majority who want controlled parking

> (54%) have voiced their opinion, despite all the

> bleating on this forum most people approve of it.


You seem not to have read the report. From page 2 - 3:


The overall response showed the majority of those who responded (69%) were against a parking zone, 25%

wanting a zone and 6% were undecided. Results were very similar when excluding visitors to the area (68%,

25% and 7%).


Street-by-street analysis shows that within the whole study area 15 streets supported a parking zone while 54

streets were against. 10 streets were undecided and there was no response from two streets.


69% were against. How from that do you come to the conclusion "most people approve of it".


People close to the station have had their say and they can have a parking zone if they want one. By the time the number of residents cars displaced by the new double yellow lines are taken into account I doubt they will be that much better off.


Overall the result seems like a victory for common sense so far.

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If you look at the Peckham West figures the results are much closer, in fact a slim majority are in favour. Particularly when you take into account the adjustments made for being in favour of neighbouring streets being included in a CPZ. The stress around the station and Peckham West zone are clearly very polarising. It?s not about creating a money making machine for the council, it?s about helping vulnerable and disabled people park closer to their homes during peak hours, and quite clearly a slim majority are in favour in Peckham West.


Louisa.

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Yep it's pretty much every street west of Lordship lane as far as the Townley Road East Dulwich Grove Junction and

all the way up to Grove Vale and it will be mon - fri 8,.30 to 6,30


Probably about one third of the total area consulted.


The council must be thrilled.

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This is going to create utter chaos. If the two sets of recommendations are implemented the East Side of LL south of EDR will be at permanent saturation. It will lead to a swarm of additional circulating traffic on really narrow roads and means permanent misery for everyone. Whether they voted for or against.


Do nothing at all rather than this appalling 'committee' solution. What have we done to deserve this?

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Can we do this with Brexit then? Just implement it for the people who voted for it!


69% of residents voted against a CPZ. That's pretty conclusive to me. But no, hang on, Southwark Council know better, lets implement a partial CPZ - which will ultimately affect everyone - and probably be worse than having a blanket CPZ!

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Take a look at Cllr James Cash' comments on his thread. He is making some sensible suggestions, in that it seems there may be room for tweaks. He notes that 4 of the streets in the Melbourne Grove CPZ proposal were overall anti CPZ and that perhaps these should be excluded and CPZ line drawn closer to the station. He argues the 4 currently inlcuded roads are not really used for station parking but more by shoppers. Excluding these would help shops and traders who fear impact of CPZ.


I'd support this.

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