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messageEast Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Otto2 May 07, 10:43PM

Hi -

My 14 year old son was met on East Dulwich Grove by a group and taken to a little alley near Glengarry. His bike and phone were taken this eve around 7pm. He was escorted by four youths...just a heads up for parents. It was about 7:15 this eve. All the little muggers were about 15ish but one fellow was older - probs 19ish he thought. This is his second mugging. No really useful descriptions to offer.

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Posted by goldilocks May 07, 11:15PM

Sorry to hear that. Maybe post details of the bike and phone that were stolen too? Hope hes ok though. Assume you have reported it?

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Otto2 May 07, 11:23PM

Green Trex mountain bike 26 wheels if anyone sees it abandoned.

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Posted by dimples May 07, 11:31PM

I know of three separate mugging of my friends sons in exactly the same place but earlier about 4pm coming home from charter . Also I know they are not the only ones .
They have been reported
I hope you sons ok

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Otto2 May 07, 11:38PM

Thanks Dimples.

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Posted by goldilocks May 08, 10:02AM

There was a previous thread on here a while ago about a stabbing on Glengarry and there was CCTV of that - not sure where it came from but wondered if it could be helpful here?

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messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Penguin68 May 08, 12:23PM

School-boy muggings have been a (sad) constant over the 30 years I have lived in ED - they seem to go in spates - maybe crime is as fashion conscious as other things. And mugging by gangs is also common. Which is not to say this shouldn't be reported and cracked down-on. Normally the police end up by targeting an area and forcing the crime elsewhere. The private schools around here, with boys (and girls) with good quality phones and bikes are of course an attractor.

It is awful of course when we are in one of these spates, and huge sympathy to any victim. But they should be reminded of the 'Godfather' maxim - 'this is business, not personal' - however personal it feels at the time.

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Posted by Angelina May 08, 12:57PM

business? yes I'm not sure that would comfort a young person who has been scared - especially with the prevalence of knife crime etc.....

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Penguin68 May 08, 02:25PM

It's about realising that they are not being targeted personally - of course it's terrible and scary, but it's not about them, but about their phone/ bike etc. That's a very different position for those targeted for knife crime, where who they are or what gang they belong to is an issue.

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Gloves May 08, 03:19PM

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> It's about realising that they are not being
> targeted personally - of course it's terrible and
> scary, but it's not about them, but about their
> phone/ bike etc. That's a very different position
> for those targeted for knife crime, where who they
> are or what gang they belong to is an issue.

Take the blinkers off!
What world do you live in?

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Penguin68 May 08, 03:47PM

Take the blinkers off!
What world do you live in?


A world where there is a difference between theft (where the objective is gain) and personal attack. It is very easy to take theft personally, as if it is you, not your belongings, which are being targeted, but that is not normally so. You are targeted only as the owner/ holder of those belongings - if you didn't have them you wouldn't be targeted. That is very different from most of the knife crime in London, as it is reported, where it is the individual identity (sometimes mistaken) which is the trigger, and where violence, not the threat of violence, is the significant element.

People involved as victims of crime (mugging, robbery and burglary) frequently add to their pain by considering that the crime is personal to them (targeted at them as individuals 'why me?') - and therefore becoming more fearful of future events than is necessary. That simply adds to a burden of trauma and that addition is not normally justified.

Additionally some muggings in particular may be about 'showing off' to others - 'look how brave I am to mug someone' - but again (unlike the attack of a bully) that has little to do with the victim. The victim may be a 'trophy' but the actual persona of the victim is irrelevant to that.

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Posted by rahrahrah May 08, 03:52PM

Let's not let this descend into an argument. It's awful that such a young lad has been victim to this. That it's happened twice now is really quite shocking. I hope he's OK.
I wonder what can be done to reduce these types of incidents?

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Posted by tash b May 08, 05:01PM

Otto2 Im so sorry to hear as I know as a mum the effect it has, my 16yr old son was also mugged Friday early evening took his phone by 2 boys around 18ish.

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Posted by theron2 May 08, 05:48PM

Think I've found the bike, pm on way call me asap

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Posted by Otto2 May 08, 06:35PM

Thanks theron2 -

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Posted by Otto2 May 08, 08:42PM

Thanks to the big-hearted theron2, I now have the bike back! So heartwarming that there are generous good people in the world. He took a great deal of time out to return the bike, and, I am very grateful. Three cheers for the forum and amazing goodwill!

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Posted by KidKruger May 08, 08:51PM

Nice to hear a bit of good news as a side story !!

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Posted by scrawford May 09, 01:23PM

On Gilkes Crescent yesterday boys were held up with knives! A local parent took photos. Where are the police?

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Posted by Pugwash May 09, 01:32PM

The police are understaffed and very stretched and are leaving in their drones due to the pay and conditions they are expected to work in. If you have to work 7 days a week as your rest days were cancelled, you would feel miffed.

When you think of 2/3 police officers per ward on foot or bicycle they cannot cover every street. Hopefully the crime was reported to the Police (Village SNT).

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Posted by Milan05 May 09, 01:34PM

That's fantastic theron2, three cheers indeed!

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Posted by seenbeen May 09, 02:04PM

Pugwash Wrote:
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> The police are understaffed and very stretched and
> are leaving in their drones due to the pay and
> conditions they are expected to work in. If you
> have to work 7 days a week as your rest days were
> cancelled, you would feel miffed.
>
> When you think of 2/3 police officers per ward on
> foot or bicycle they cannot cover every street.
> Hopefully the crime was reported to the Police
> (Village SNT).
I was watching a documentary about the terrorist who were going to board planes with liquid bombs in Lucozade bottles. It took 1,000 police officers to surveille and eventually catch them before the planned carnage! Kind of explains a lot

messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by Angelina May 09, 02:44PM

"understaffed" - whatever they spend most of their time doing, there isn't enough resource to follow up calls like this. Shocking it's happening so frequently to our kids

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Posted by womanofdulwich May 09, 03:51PM

Its a good idea to take a photo of your bike - so you can help find it at at later date. .. well found.

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Posted by cactus May 09, 07:13PM

Otto2, sorry to hear about your son, but delighted that at least his bike has been found.
I kind of agree that it's best to not take these robberies personally, but I've struggled to get this message
through to my 14 year old who was mugged last December near East Dulwich station. It has really shaken his confidence and months later, he still won't travel home alone from places where he previously felt safe.

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Posted by Otto2 May 09, 08:08PM

I think it is perfectly natural for a mugging to have repercussions. It is not "taking it personally" - it is a potentially traumatic experience and different people will take different amounts of time to recover. I think it is important to listen and let them talk about how they feel without putting words in their mouths, or, telling them how they should feel. This was my son's second mugging, and, he had escaped a potential third just the week before by fast cycling. All were by groups of teens, some with older people involved. His feelings? He does not want a phone, does not want the bike that was returned, and, does not want to go anywhere solo atm. He says "London sucks". I am listening and trying not to act any different than the day before it happened though that is hard. He was 30 minutes late today coming home and it worried me much much more than usual but he had an exam that ran late.

You can register bikes and phones at www.immobilise.com. You'll need your IMEI number for a phone (accessed by pressing *#06#) and your frame number for a bike.



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messageRe: East Dulwich Grove mugging
Posted by tomskip May 09, 09:01PM

Wtf with the minimising of such crimes on this thread? The photo of the mugger on Gilkes Crescent is awful. So sorry to hear of teens having their confidence battered and the police apparently unable to do anything about it.

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Posted by Lisa Taylor May 09, 09:41PM

This is just so frightening, why do our children have to feel like this? I can't imagine how scared they must be especially seeing that photo, I would be terrified if I was approached by that complete scumbag.
So sorry for your son Otto & hope he starts to feel a bit more himself soon.

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Posted by Eastdulwich2015 May 10, 07:30AM

I have just sent the photo to Theresa Mays email address as well as Helen Hayes MP and Ellie Reeves telling them this is what our children are facing in the way home and asking for a response. Ill share any response.

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Posted by rahrahrah May 10, 09:22AM

Lisa Taylor Wrote:
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> This is just so frightening, why do our children
> have to feel like this? I can't imagine how scared
> they must be especially seeing that photo, I would
> be terrified if I was approached by that complete
> scumbag.
> So sorry for your son Otto & hope he starts to
> feel a bit more himself soon.

I agree entirely. It's not acceptable that this is happening.

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Posted by Otto2 May 10, 10:07AM

I'll be out on my bicycle at school let-out time today looking out for my children and others as my heart is in my throat. They need the freedom to walk and not have annoying mums by their sides so I'll be in stealth mode (I promise my stealth mode will be more attractive than the fellow above 😂). I'm freelance so I can do this today, but, not every day. If any other mums-or-dads-on-bikes with kids too old for parents to walk with them want to make this a more formal thing, pm me. Call it a cycle club of sorts. I realise there needs to be other solutions but this is one I can think of that might be of use and it is better than feeling helpless. I'm not proposing confronting anyone - just having a presence, and, the ability to call 999 if needed.

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