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messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Humdinger June 14, 08:15AM

There will be plenty of easy ways to get to London Bridge by bus once the 40 changes.

I'm pretty sure TFL thought it all through. They are unlikely to have put on blindfolds and pointed at a random bus route and thought, right lets make changes to that one. They will have carefully considered the changes to each route by taking into account that passengers can rather easily hop off one bus and onto another at no extra cost and very little inconvenience. The centre of London is unnecessarily clogged up with empty buses. This needs to change.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by JohnL June 14, 10:06AM

Humdinger Wrote:
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> There will be plenty of easy ways to get to London
> Bridge by bus once the 40 changes.
>
> I'm pretty sure TFL thought it all through. They
> are unlikely to have put on blindfolds and pointed
> at a random bus route and thought, right lets make
> changes to that one. They will have carefully
> considered the changes to each route by taking
> into account that passengers can rather easily hop
> off one bus and onto another at no extra cost and
> very little inconvenience. The centre of London is
> unnecessarily clogged up with empty buses. This
> needs to change.

They should monitor it a bit like a data/phone network - I notice Thameslink like the word core these days.

But if there's an external (political) mission that might make things different.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Zebedee Tring June 14, 11:00AM

Humdinger, it's not easy for everyone to hop easily from one bus to another. A year ago I was about to have a hip replacement and found it difficult to get on and off a bus. I am in much better shape now but there are masses of people who would struggle to do what you suggest.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Bic Basher June 14, 11:11AM

Zebedee Tring Wrote:
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> Humdinger, it's not easy for everyone to hop
> easily from one bus to another. A year ago I was
> about to have a hip replacement and found it
> difficult to get on and off a bus. I am in much
> better shape now but there are masses of people
> who would struggle to do what you suggest.

Indeed, it'll be those who find it hard to change buses due to health issues who'll be forced onto cabs to Guys due to TfL's misjudged decision to reroute the only direct bus route from ED to London Bridge.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by rupert james June 14, 01:14PM

As the old British habit of queuing is long dead, it will be the fittest and inconsiderate that will be able to change buses with out any problems.

I doubt if TFL ever thought of this.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by jamesmcash June 16, 02:35PM

Just to let you know that the councillors are discussing this. We opposed the changes in the consultation process but as you know the changes to the 12 bus were not mentioned.

Best wishes
James

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messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by NewWave June 16, 06:04PM

jamesmcash Wrote:
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> Just to let you know that the councillors are
> discussing this. We opposed the changes in the
> consultation process but as you know the changes
> to the 12 bus were not mentioned.
>
> Best wishes
> James
Thank you. This is actually going to have a very negative impact on many local people.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by mary123 June 17, 08:03AM

There are so many bus stops on lordship lane, particularly the middle part, the bus moved away from the bus stop and the next one is very close by, this slows down the time to travel to through Dulwich and another increase to journey times.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Bic Basher June 17, 05:53PM

Looks like some of those spare 12s are now on the 176 today as every single bus I've been on is those infernal greenhouses.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by peckham_ryu June 18, 09:55AM

How does TfL assess Ďdemandí? If they use fare data, itís not a surprise that the 12 is statistically under-capacity. At my stop, about 75% of adults board without tapping. Itís been yonks since Iíve seen ticket inspectors.

dbboy Wrote:
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Quote:
From Saturday 15 June, there will be changes to bus route 12, which runs between Oxford Circus
Station, Margaret Street and Dulwich Library.

Following reductions in demand we are changing the frequency, and buses will now run as follows: every 7-8 minutes on Monday Ė Saturday daytimes every 10 minutes early mornings and evenings everyday every 8-9 minutes on Sundays For help planning your journey, visit our website.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Mann
Director of Bus Operations

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Nigello June 18, 10:11AM

The 12 is going to get 130-capacity extra-long double deckers. (See other post.)

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Johnjohn June 18, 05:11PM

Response from TFL
"Thanks for you detailed email of 13 June about the changes bus route 12.
Iím sorry for all the inconvenience caused by the overcrowding during peak time rush hour. I understand why you would be frustrated by reducing the frequency of buses operating on this route.
However, changes are made according to demand. I appreciate you bringing this concerns to my attention; we value feedback from our customers to how we can improve and develop our network.
We make every effort to ensure our bus services meet the demands of our customers. Usage is regularly reviewed to ensure that our bus routes provide sufficient capacity. We also closely monitor the reliability of our routes to ensure that customers receive a regular, dependable service.
I have passed your email to our Network Development team who are responsible for monitoring bus network usage and implementing changes that benefit our customers.
If so theyíll look to see if itís viable to increase the frequency of the bus.

If it isnít possible to increase the frequency of the service, but there is a shortfall in capacity, they may be able increase the capacity of the bus by other means and will look into this possibility."


This is 33% reduction in frequency!!

Perhaps I could understand a reduction in the service outside of rush hour, but during rush hour the service is very, very busy.
The new lower frequency will mean a possible 15+ minute wait of there are any delays in the service (ie. A bus is taken out, or there are heavy roadworks along the route causing heavy congestion.)

Like a previous post, I am concerned that the changes made are measured on information which is not reliable.
How can they measure how many people use the service when many passengers do not even touch in.
There are many passengers who have bus passes or travel cards which do not require touching in or out, so how could you possibly know how many people are using the service.

The suggestion of increasing the capacity of the bus itself is a totally inadequate remedy to a reduction in frequency.

This is a very disappointing decision given that as a City and a borough we are supposed to encouraging people out of their cars.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by sally buying June 18, 07:28PM

The number 12 from Oxford Circus to Peckham route has always been known as the charity bus because nobody checks in and the bus is never checked

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by happymummy June 20, 10:44PM

I had no idea about the changes until I read this thread though I've certainly noticed the negative effects this past week - slower journeys and overcrowding during rush hour. Many people rely on the frequency of the number 12 to get to to Peckham Rye to use the overground trains. I'm sure some people may say leave earlier to allow for the delays, though I know there are many parents who can't when you have to drop off to school or nursery in the mornings. Fine if you're lucky and have an understanding boss and flexible working though for those who don't it can be very stressful. Same goes for the journey home when many people will be rushing to make pick up on time.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by intexasatthe moment June 21, 08:37AM

Central London is clogged with buses ,some rationalisation is necessary .

The existing infrastructure of narrow roads can't support the volume of public transport needed to meet demand .

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Ruffler June 23, 11:04AM

I also see many people boarding number 12s without tapping in their cards. If presumably demand is measured by paying customers, these people are hitting services for the rest of us.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Bic Basher June 23, 11:38PM

Ruffler Wrote:
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> I also see many people boarding number 12s without
> tapping in their cards. If presumably demand is
> measured by paying customers, these people are
> hitting services for the rest of us.

It concerns me that with the 176 becoming largely a Boris bus route, that'll also show a decrease in passenger usage with another excuse to cut the frequency even further.

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Zebedee Tring June 24, 11:46AM

Aren't there only one or two Boris buses on the 176 route? Or have these buses only been put on this route recently?

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by mary123 June 24, 12:45PM

Boris buses?? What are they..
Deffo noticed the 185 are getting busier

messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Bic Basher June 24, 02:23PM

Zebedee Tring Wrote:
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> Aren't there only one or two Boris buses on the
> 176 route? Or have these buses only been put on
> this route recently?


They've increased on the 176 since the 12 was cut. The London Vehicle finder site shows there are currently 12 Boris Buses, also known as LTs in the trade on the route.

The ones labelled MHV, EH or WHV are standard buses.

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messageRe: "New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by TheArtfulDogger June 24, 05:49PM

mary123 Wrote:
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> Boris buses?? What are they..


They are the ones with dodgy haircuts and have arguments going on upstairs 🤐

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