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messagesouthwark council van pollution
Posted by JickieC July 30, 05:14PM

There is a southwark council van sitting on Muschamp running its engine for over an hour - with the headlights and windscreen wipers on and no sign of a driver. It's over heating too and the fumes are horrible. Any ideas what to do?

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by TheArtfulDogger July 30, 05:34PM

Jump in and drive it away around the corner

The driver will then have to explain how they "lost" it when they get back to base

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by JickieC July 30, 05:53PM

i did try the doors to honk the horn - but (s)he actually managed to lock them

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by seenbeen July 30, 06:01PM

thank goodness it's raining- all the horrible pollution gets washed down the drain!

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Sue July 30, 07:23PM

Take its reg number and description and report it to the council?

Why would somebody leave a van with its engine running?

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by DulwichFox July 30, 07:29PM

There is one rule for Southwark Council and another rule for everyone else.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by tiddles July 30, 09:01PM

Was the driver in the van?
A - knock on door and ask them to turn off the engine
B - take photo of vehicle and call the southwark number that no one answers
C - send photo of vehicle etc to southwark

They (southwark) are spending loads in banners near schools asking drivers to turn off idling
Engines

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by bels123 July 30, 11:29PM

Call Southwark enforcement next time 020 7708 8587.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by tallulah71 July 31, 08:37AM

Def report next time - hypocrisy of the highest degree. Happens all the time around where I live, though usually with builders. I did knock on a British Gas man n van once and he finally drove off. It's not just a council drive for cleaner air, it's a fine-carrying offence

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by natty01295 July 31, 09:44AM

They keep saying about pollution Yet they (Southwark council) Leave there engines running when its not necessary to do so

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Humdinger July 31, 11:08AM

Did you not let down the tyres? Thats what the council advises you to do when one of their employees dares to take a lunch break on OUR time.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by peckman July 31, 03:20PM

How on earth is this the councils fault!! Its completely down to an incondiderate driver! Jeez the council has its faults but come on !!

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Zebedee Tring July 31, 03:31PM

The Council would be potentially liable for the actions of their employee in the course of his employment, at least in civil law.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by cella July 31, 07:57PM

Humdinger Wrote:
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> Did you not let down the tyres? Thats what the
> council advises you to do when one of their
> employees dares to take a lunch break on OUR time.


There is no way this is Council advice - why bother to post this no matter how annoyed you are?

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by doogleflip July 31, 08:34PM

Iím confused as to how he/she locked the doors from the outside if the engine was still running?! Surely you need a key to lock the doors from the outside... very strange!

Edit - I donít have keyless entry in my car so maybe itís that?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was july 31, 08:36pm by doogleflip.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Sue July 31, 09:27PM

I reckon the driver was asleep in the back..

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by tallulah71 August 01, 08:38AM

...yes! with the A/C on. Makes sense

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by malumbu August 01, 07:29PM

You've got plenty of good advice, and some stupid stuff too. This is not funny. So do all of these below:

Clock the registration, preferably video it, and report to Southwark Council as a complaint (polluting and wasting fuel).

Report to Southwark Council Environmental Health, and/or Highways, quoting their own air quality policies, and asking what action they will be taking. [www.southwark.gov.uk]

Also question how on earth they can 'ban' unnecessary idling. Discourage it, take enforcement action yes. Ban? How many enforcement officers would that take? [www.southwark.gov.uk]

Copy in the Mayor of London and ask what action he will be taking

Write to your MP and ask him to raise this with the Secretary of State for the Environment.

Copy in your local Councillor.

The stupidity of leaving your engine running is something I normally associate with the middle classes on the school run, or the police. Those have led to most of my arguments. The more we do to raise this with the appropriate authorities the better.

My only facetious comment is to stuff a potatoe in the exhaust so the vehicle stalls. Highy unlikely that this will send carbon monoxide into the vehicle.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by peckman August 01, 08:03PM

Lets be clear ! The only person at fault is the moron who did this . By all means send a snnotty email to cllrs , mps etc but its @#$%& common sense .. some people have it some dont

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by malumbu August 02, 12:18AM

No it's not, it'd the organisation. Organisational morons. Don't excuse the organisation.

It's like excusing the German people in the second world war for Hitler.

It's not snotty letters, it is getting the organisation to take responsibility. Why don't you apologise for every other organisation that has done wrong?

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Sue August 02, 10:23PM

peckman Wrote:
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> Lets be clear ! The only person at fault is the
> moron who did this . By all means send a snnotty
> email to cllrs , mps etc but its @#$%& common
> sense .. some people have it some dont


The person is presumably doing this whilst working for Southwark Council, otherwise why would he be in a Southwark Council van?

And probably this isn't the first time he has done it (and won't be the last), and other people may be doing it too.

Therefore the council need to know about it. In my opinion.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Paulo August 02, 11:55PM

Who knows? Could it have been some kind of emergency? An emergency kip? But ffs don't just blame the council straight off without a clue. If you have a complaint register it here:

[www.southwark.gov.uk]

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Sue August 05, 12:46AM

I don't think anybody is "blaming the council" ?

And if you are desperate to sleep, you don't need to keep the engine running ....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was august 05, 12:47am by Sue.

messageRe: southwark council van pollution
Posted by Penguin68 August 05, 10:20AM

I don't think anybody is "blaming the council" ?

Well, I haven't been (not posted before on this thread) - but simple (a) training and (b) rules and (c) enforcement of these rules are up to the council, and as described (for the time claimed by the OP) there can be no 'excuse' for the actions apparently taken (or innaction allowed) by the council-employed driver of the vehicle in question.

Of course, the action is the 'failure', strictly, of just one individual, and there may be (though if the timing is right it's difficult to see what) a reasonable explanation, but the council necessarily takes management responsibility for the actions of its agents, and is ultimately to blame here, even if other council employees may have been unaware at the time of what was happening. That is what corporate responsibility is about. If no council rules were broken, for instance, that is a failure of council rule-setting.


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