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messagePolice Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by MJRealDavies September 03, 08:57AM

Does anybody know why the Police have cordoned off Gowlett Road today?

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by creditwheredue September 03, 09:16AM

Root? Pale Ale sold out ?

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Humdinger September 03, 10:54AM

another complaint from a busybody about patrons of the pub talking, laughing and enjoying themselves?

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by MJRealDavies September 03, 11:03AM

Fear it may be something more serious than that, I am afraid to say.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by smiste2002 September 03, 01:44PM

The police have cordoned off a road, it's more than likely to be serious - which it was - the police don't generally waste their time. Doesn't take much intelligence to figure that out. Creditwheredue and Humdinger should find better things to do with their time than pathetic attempts at humour.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Humdinger September 03, 02:27PM

Do pray tell what this serious reason for the road closure was then please?

Nothing in the news.

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of bed today. cheer up!

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by se22cat September 03, 03:14PM

I wish the admins here would finally start banning trolls like you.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by kjet2 September 03, 04:08PM

I agree se22cat and smieste2002. This was serious! The road was cordoned off as a result of a mugging of one of the street's residents in which he was also stabbed. All neighbours are deeply shocked and our thoughts are with his young family.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by cohen22 September 03, 05:26PM

Creditwheredue. Read that as bankrupt. Humdinger. You are the antithesis of that. You would have both shit yourselves if you had been in that position. Just crawl back underneath your duvets and release the pause on your daytime TV. Hopefully it's you next time. @#$%&.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Sue September 03, 06:08PM

kjet2 Wrote:
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> The road was cordoned off as a result of a mugging
> of one of the street's residents in which he was
> also stabbed. All neighbours are deeply shocked
> and our thoughts are with his young family.


How is the person who was stabbed? Really hoping he was not seriously hurt.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by DulwichFox September 03, 06:17PM

From another thread:-

Posted by Sue August 29, 10:45AM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Rye Lane is a No-Go zone after dark. What do you
> expect.
>
> I would not dream of walking around that area on
> my own at night.
>

Oh FFS, no it isn't.

But then not so long ago you posted on here saying you would not walk anywhere near the Gowlett at night.

Get a grip!

Now do you see what I mean. It's NOT safe

Fox

ETA:- I hope the person who was attacted is Ok.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was september 03, 06:56pm by DulwichFox.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by NewWave September 03, 07:47PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> From another thread:-
>
> Posted by Sue August 29, 10:45AM
>
> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rye Lane is a No-Go zone after dark. What do you
>
> > expect.
> >
> > I would not dream of walking around that area on
>
> > my own at night.
> >
>
> Oh FFS, no it isn't.
>
> But then not so long ago you posted on here saying
> you would not walk anywhere near the Gowlett at
> night.
>
> Get a grip!
>
> Now do you see what I mean. It's NOT safe
>
> Fox
>
> ETA:- I hope the person who was attacted is Ok.

@Dulwichfox I think its really out of order piggybacking this thread in order to support your small minded bigoted viewpoint about Peckham.
Muggings and stabbings are sadly a London-wide problem and happen in every postcode.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by cella September 03, 07:59PM

DF you are exploiting this sad event to support your own biased view of this area. We are in that vicinity and your description bears no resemblance to the reality. How do you suggest residents, particularly women, visitors etc get around and live their lives without walking? You really do need to widen your perspective and leave the Lordship Lane bubble occasionally.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by pk September 03, 09:44PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> From another thread:-
>
> Posted by Sue August 29, 10:45AM
>
> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rye Lane is a No-Go zone after dark. What do you
>
> > expect.
> >
> > I would not dream of walking around that area on
>
> > my own at night.
> >
>
> Oh FFS, no it isn't.
>
> But then not so long ago you posted on here saying
> you would not walk anywhere near the Gowlett at
> night.
>
> Get a grip!
>
> Now do you see what I mean. It's NOT safe
>
> Fox
>
> ETA:- I hope the person who was attacted is Ok.

Shameless point scoring first

Thoughts for victim an afterthought

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Humdinger September 04, 08:37AM

cohen22 Wrote:
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> Creditwheredue. Read that as bankrupt. Humdinger.
> You are the antithesis of that. You would have
> both shit yourselves if you had been in that
> position. Just crawl back underneath your duvets
> and release the pause on your daytime TV.
> Hopefully it's you next time. @#$%&.


oh no, i've upset some keyboard warriors here, havent i? Alas! Im not even sure how to respond to that, i think you need to get yourself down to Dulwich Hamlet or something, and release some of your shock and outrage in a more productive manner.

Hissy fits aside (grow up!), thats a pretty savage thing to happen on a relatively quiet street. Surprised it hasnt made the news though, its a bit of a sad indictment of how common this thing probably is in South London.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Penguin68 September 04, 09:16AM

Surprised it hasnt made the news though, its a bit of a sad indictment of how common this thing probably is in South London.

Whether something is reported or not depends very much on (a) the actual severity of the incident (we believe there was an attack and stabbing from kjet2's post, we do not know the severity of the injury); (b) what else was happening at the time which might have eclipsed this incident and (c) whether any reporter could get sufficient information to stand the story up so that it was newsworthy. Often reports of attacks/ muggings are only reported on later, after briefing etc. from the police.

It is quite wrong to assume that no immediate media pick-up implies that such events are either trivial or too common to bother about locally. I have lived in South London since 1975 - and in ED for the last 30 years+ - and my impression is that casual street violence (with peaks and troughs over that time) is considerably less than it used to be - although as an old person I feel less threatened anyway (and am far less likely to be).

Nevertheless the growing trope of the 'blood-soaked streets of ED and Peckham' (certainly as a growing or unchanging phenomenon) needs challenging.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by intexasatthe moment September 04, 09:30AM

Penguin I want to say how much I appreciate your posts . They are always so even handed and give a factual background .

Any chance you could stand for PM ?

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Penguin68 September 04, 09:52AM

Any chance you could stand for PM ?

I'm not sure that 'even handed' or with 'a factual background' is a qualification (at least looking at incumbents and aspirants) for this post.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by creditwheredue September 04, 09:56AM

I donít watch daytime TV or hide under duvets. Iíve worked since 1977 and paid tax and NI weekly ever since.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by DulwichFox September 04, 10:00AM

I am not taking advantage of this situation to point score.

I'm trying to say just how serious a situation we have in the area.

Talking to people in the area... in the street... shops and pubs (and I do a lot of that)
there is a lot more of this going that ever gets reported.
Maybe not stabbings but certainly Street Robberies, Shop Lifting, Car Break-ins, Car and Motorbike Theft,
Bicycle Theft, Burglaries....

This may be going on elsewhere but I am concerned about MY area. It is up to people elsewhere
to sort out their area where they live.

The problem here in East Dulwich and Peckham is the Denial that a problem exists
and how nice and safe the area is. It is NOT safe. and do not tell me to get a grip.
Talk to people, Talk to your neighbours, talk to shopkeepers.. Find out what is happening in the area.

One of my elderly neighbours was turned over and robbed in the Aylsham Centre Peckham a month or so ago.
This was by a gang of 'professional' known criminals from Eastern Europe acting in pairs.
I-In broad daylight.

Some of my elderly neighbours are afraid to go out especially at night.
There are no Police around on foot. They are all driving around in Fast Cars.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Sue September 04, 10:40AM

Dulwich Fox, if you want to take this thread down that road, I suggest you start another thread.

You are diverting attention from one incident which is the subject of this thread, and I'm sure others as well as me would like to know how the victim is, and would prefer not to read your scaremongering.

ETA: As you appear to think this whole area is so unsafe, I can't understand why you continue to live here.



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messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by intexasatthe moment September 04, 11:32AM

Penguin - yes I had noticed ! That was my point -)

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by kjet2 September 04, 12:30PM

Hi Sue, he'll be out of hospital in a few days. Was very close though. I don't think it's appropriate to go into all the details, but the police caught two or more people soon after (they are alleged to have also mugged people in Denmark Hill and Peckham earlier that evening). I just hope they get their just comeuppance.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Jules-and-Boo September 04, 01:31PM

glad to hear he'll be home soon and that it wasn't life threatening.
Hope those guilty get taken off the streets and given the help they need

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Sue September 04, 02:04PM

kjet2 Wrote:
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> Hi Sue, he'll be out of hospital in a few days.
> Was very close though. I don't think it's
> appropriate to go into all the details, but the
> police caught two or more people soon after (they
> are alleged to have also mugged people in Denmark
> Hill and Peckham earlier that evening). I just
> hope they get their just comeuppance.


Thank you for this.

I hope he makes a full physical (and emotional) recovery and that the people responsible are found guilty and punished (or treated) appropriately.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by DirtyBox September 04, 02:27PM

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:
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> Hope those guilty get taken off the streets and
> given the help they need

I don't understand this statement, what help does someone need who's prepared to go out and stab someone?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit was september 04, 02:32pm by DirtyBox.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Penguin68 September 04, 02:34PM

I don't understand this statement, what help does someone who's prepared to go out and stab someone need?

Although this seems to be part of a series of criminal offences, and hence probably not relevant, random violence I'm afraid can be symptomatic of those suffering some mental health disorders (although self-harm is tragically far more common). This can be particularly so with people suffering paranoid delusions (sometimes chemically induced or exacerbated).

In these cases 'help' is far more appropriate than punishment.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by seenbeen September 04, 03:00PM

It seems SE22 is up there in the violent crime stats
[www.ukcrimestats.com]

First I'd heard of this that happened last year- not far from me. It would be useful to be warned of these crimes in the area for those who do not read the Southwark news.
[www.southwarknews.co.uk]

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Pugwash September 04, 03:32PM

I suggest that people get an understanding of crime in the area by turning up at their ward Police Safer Neighbourhood Team meetings. It would appear that many of these meetings have low attendance rates and I gather there is concerns as to why poorly attended - is it the venue or the times of the meetings, or apathy ?.

Just go to the Met Police SNT page to find out more about your ward's meeting dates and Police Officers.

messageRe: Police Cordon Gowlett Road
Posted by Humdinger September 04, 03:41PM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> It seems SE22 is up there in the violent crime
> stats
> [www.ukcrimestats.com]
> 22/
>
> First I'd heard of this that happened last year-
> not far from me. It would be useful to be warned
> of these crimes in the area for those who do not
> read the Southwark news.
> [www.southwarknews.co.uk]
> t-knife-point-by-masked-burglars-in-east-dulwich-h
> ome/


When there is a relatively affluent area (East Dulwich) beside a poverty ridden area (Peckham), then it doesnt take a genius to work out that criminals are going to come to the affluent area to rob, steal, mug and burgle.

see also, Herne Hill and Brixton. For a while, Herne Hill had the highest rate of burglary in the U.K.

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