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messageVehicles on diversion
Posted by roban1 04 September, 2019 09:53

Why are large lorries and coaches being diverted down Oakhurst And Kelmore Grove. Itís too narrow to take them?

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Posted by sheff 04 September, 2019 10:26

It's part of the Barry Road junction closure onto the Rye.
Barry Road is closed travelling onto the Rye.
And the right turn onto Barry Road from the Rye is now much narrower.

I think they are therefore routing HGV's that get that far onto Tyrell Road as this is the last exit point travelling down Barry to the Rye.
I assume also that the turn onto Barry Road is now too tight and they are doing the same the other way.

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Posted by Sunglasses 04 September, 2019 14:21

I agree with Roban1 - having just got stuck when a lorry couldnít make the turn onto Oakhurst. I will contact Thames Water to see if can find a more appropriate diversion for HGVs than those narrow roads

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Posted by Penguin68 04 September, 2019 14:30

As this could be a long run thing, using one (or several) 'not suitable for HGV' signs with the diversion would be sensible - with an HGV route designated. Barry Road is a numbered road, and hence generally suitable for all traffic - but the side roads clearly aren't.

Maybe a councillor (or more than one as a number of wards are being impacted) could make representation to Southwark/ Highways agency.

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Posted by Pugwash 04 September, 2019 15:39

Having been caught up in Oakhurst/Kelmore Roads this morning - even middle sized vans were having difficulty. Coming back up Barry Road - I noticed a very large vehicle ignoring the road closure signs and obvious barriers trying to get past Tyrell. It was about the width and length of a bus but much taller.

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Posted by embracefinancial 04 September, 2019 19:52

It's badly thought through and dangerous. As Oakhurst Grove is closed off at the East Dulwich Road end, it's a quiet street as traffic wouldn't usually choose to take the long detour through The Gardens. So kids play on the pavements and occasionally in the road on bikes. There's no excuse for good road safety sense, but residents have not been warned about this sudden influx in traffic.

As the diversion is one-way, the traffic comes down the street in waves, and at high speeds if there is nothing blocking the road. This morning, I was trying to get out to the Tyrrell Road end and had to reverse all the way to the East Dulwich Road end twice because vans were too wide to pass and couldn't reverse due to the amount of traffic backed up behind them. I eventually had to turn around and drive out through The Gardens too.

A bit later, a Clarke's coach was trying to get around the bend from Tyrrell Road. I didn't hang around to see if it got through so it might still be there.

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Posted by Johnjohn 05 September, 2019 09:16

This is ridiculous.
There is a sign at the library saying HGVs should not go down Barry Rd, and to divert via Lordship Lane.
But once they are going down Barry rd, the diversion is signed to go down Tyrrell, then Oakhurst, Kelmore and Gardens.

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Posted by PeckhamRose 05 September, 2019 20:15

OK I just saw the answer to my question in the other thread.

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Posted by Sunglasses 05 September, 2019 20:45

I emailed James McAsh, Charlie Smith and Victoria Olisa yesterday and none of them have replied so far. The traffic continues...

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Posted by jamesmcash 06 September, 2019 22:00

Hi all

Just a quick note to say that we councillors are aware of this situation and are doing what we can to deal with it. We agree that it is a serious issue.

Sunglasses - apologies for the lack of response. Being a councillor is not a full time role - I am also a teacher. This means that it will often take a couple of days to respond to emails, particularly at busy times like for instance the start of term!

Best wishes
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Posted by craigy 07 September, 2019 10:28

This morning the traffic is being diverted down Ferris Road from Tyrrell which adds an additional 2 tight corners in residential streets to the diversion

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Posted by Sunglasses 08 September, 2019 08:43

No worries James and thanks for your help

I've attached some pics of an articulated lorry (Tescos delivery) getting stuck on Kelmore this morning at 7.45am, then reversing back to Oakhurst and getting stuck on Oakhurst. It then eventually reversed all the way down Oakhurst with a lot of angry drivers behind it.

Is there any chance a sign could be put up on Tyrrell / Oakhurst saying "Not suitable for HGVs"?

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Posted by doogsey 08 September, 2019 15:56

Lordship Lane has been clogged with traffic for the past couple of days, is that related to the same closure?

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Posted by krustyloaf 10 September, 2019 22:14

Itís a nightmare on Oakhurst atm, cars are driving so fast and this morning there was a collision as a car reversed in frustration at a road blockage and went straight into a motorbike.

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Posted by Sunglasses 11 September, 2019 13:33

Iíve been in touch with James McAsh and Southwark Council and they told me that they would go to the site and review the diversion and signage yesterday morning (Tues 10th Sept). Iím now waiting for an update from Southwark about what they intend to do. If you did want to contact James McAsh about the problems that would lend more weight to it. His email address is above

Cheers

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Posted by Pugwash 11 September, 2019 14:51

It would have been more logical to have temp traffic lights from Upland/Tyrrell so traffic can pass by on 'open stretch' of road, with further lights by the Rye (further back than current ones)

Must admit it was easier to go down Dunstans and along Rye than to use Oakhurst .

Where are these 'Not suitable for HV signs'? I have driven up LL and down Barry Road numerous times and have not seen these signs. Also heavy traffic coming down Etherow Street and turning right into Barry

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Posted by drunkmonk74 19 September, 2019 09:41

I live on Kelmore Grove and twice now I've had to come out to move my car and motorbike to help large articulated lorries get through. Thankfully I was at home and could help, otherwise I've no idea how they would have sorted themselves out.

One time I only realised there was an issue as the lorry set off the alarm on my motorbike and I rushed out thinking someone was stealing it in the middle of the day.

This is a serious issue, and to be honest, if it continues it will only be a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt, at which point something will be done, but by then it will be too late.

I understand that road works/utility works need to happen, however someone should have taken the time to understand the types of vehicles that travel down Barry Road, before simply diverting all that traffic through narrow residential roads.



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Posted by Sunglasses 19 September, 2019 15:34

They have definitely installed two ďnot suitable for HGVsĒ signs since I complained. theyíve been there for roughly a week I think, and since then I personally havenít seen any more articulated lorries, but Iím obviously not there all the time

When did the incidents that you mentioned happen DrunkMonk?

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Posted by Lynne 22 September, 2019 12:50

quite handy yesterday to catch the no.12 to Peckham at GG. Went to the Open House at Peckham Station. Fascinating.

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Posted by intexasatthe moment 22 September, 2019 14:06

37 route has always enabled travel from GG to Peckham .

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Posted by Lynne 22 September, 2019 15:00

Yes.intexasatthemoment, I usually catch the 37, but the 12 sailed up, stopped (somewhat to my surprise) and I didn't want to hurt it's feelings by ignoring it.

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Posted by EPB 22 September, 2019 18:40

Quite right too.

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Posted by intexasatthe moment 23 September, 2019 08:49

Gosh ,I agree and see your point.

No way would I want to upset a bus . We all know what huffy creatures they can be ....sailing past a stop where you've been paitently waiting .

Especially that stop opposite the Clock House in Barry Road .( when it was in use )

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Posted by Bic Basher 25 October, 2019 18:00

According to TfL, the roadworks on Barry Road will now continue until December 20th. A job that should have taken 4 weeks is now three months.

How can Thames Water get away with such disruption?

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Posted by Pugwash 26 October, 2019 12:33

Real pain this - I try not to use my car much and would have normally travelled to my GP in the Gardens by bus, but with no buses running down to the Rye either had to use car or take 2 buses (12 to Kings Arms and then another up to the Gardens). I have mobility problems and walking more than 100 yards is difficult.

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Posted by seenbeen 26 October, 2019 14:56

Bic Basher Wrote:
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> According to TfL, the roadworks on Barry Road will
> now continue until December 20th. A job that
> should have taken 4 weeks is now three months.
>
> How can Thames Water get away with such
> disruption?

Dont forget Southwark waive through planning for blocks of flats and all kinds of buildings' conversions- and each household requires a separate mains water supply- uphill most of the time. The infrastructure is ALWAYS the last thing to be considered...it's a pity they didn't think it was going to be a serious issue before all the planning applications in the area were agreed!

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Posted by Penguin68 26 October, 2019 15:47

and each household requires a separate mains water supply

I had understood (happy to stand corrected) that this was for sewers and drains - but of course the consequences of increased densities still apply. Additionally more rainfall leads to more run-off and demands on drains.

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Posted by sheff 28 November, 2019 13:57

Thanes water now say they wonít get works completed by December and traffic diversions will stay until March 2020

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Posted by seenbeen 28 November, 2019 15:03

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> and each household requires a separate mains water
> supply
>
> I had understood (happy to stand corrected) that
> this was for sewers and drains - but of course the
> consequences of increased densities still apply.
> Additionally more rainfall leads to more run-off
> and demands on drains.
Yes- more lavatories too- most old houses around here have ONE toilet and bathroom but you can bet that any extensions, conversions etc will require at least 2 if not more....in fact I'm sure I saw a house conversion for sale on Crystal Palace Road that boasted 5 bathrooms...

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Posted by first mate 28 November, 2019 15:36

I had understood from those on site that this is to do with the large proposed development opposite the Clockhouse.

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