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messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by peckhamside January 13, 12:16PM

I have not read all the posts but in case this is being monitored by local Councillors to keep abreast of local views.
1. I agree with rahrahrah- we need to discourage car ownership and use in the local area.
2. Roads are owned by all-including those without a car, so reasonable that car owners pay more to use the space.
3. Current Borough wide permit system for CPZ is too liberal, up to three permits per address and no increase in charges for second and third permits. I suggest limit of two and increase in fee for second car to discourage multiple car ownership.
Number and size of cars (SUV!!)does seem to be increasing. All the fuss about single use plastic etc. and carbon emissions from vehicles which is 18% (I think) must be increasing!!

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by rahrahrah January 13, 04:12PM

The increase in SUVs is ridiculous. If we really want to get people our of their cars then there needs to be a great deal more pedestrianisation in the area and segregated / traffic free cycle and pedestrian routes between local schools, public transport hubs and town centres. I would also like to see electric bike hire schemes encouraged in the south of the borough. Currently they do not operate in East Dulwich.

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by rahrahrah January 13, 04:14PM

CPZs encourage people to own cars. Speed bumps incrase pollution. These seem to be the Councils main 'green' policies at the moment.

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by ED_moots January 15, 10:40AM

Update: Cabinet approves CPZ as proposed.

[moderngov.southwark.gov.uk]

Received this email today:

Good morning,



I am writing in response to your representation, or request for project updates, to the East Dulwich Controlled Parking Zone.



In accordance with Regulation 13 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 the council has considered your representation and a decision has been taken by the relevant decision maker as set out in the Southwark Councilís constitution.



Consideration of the representation



Your representation was considered by The Cabinet Member for Environment, Transport and the Climate Emergency on 23 December 2019.



Summary of decision



In consideration of any objections received, the council has:



Determined each of the objections included in the correspondence, in line with the reasoning in Appendix 1 of the report
Decided to make the traffic management order as originally proposed.


Reasons for decision



The reasons for the decision can be found here.



Traffic Orders:



In view of the above, the council will make the following orders and a notice of making will be published:



The London Borough of Southwark (Parking places) (Parking zone 'ED') (No. *) Order 202*

The London Borough of Southwark (Free parking places) (No. *) Order 202*

The London Borough of Southwark (Free parking places) (Solo motor cycles) (No. *) Order 202*

The London Borough of Southwark (Waiting and loading restrictions) (Amendment No. *) Order 202*



Further information



For further details on the project including the latest programme information, please see the project webpage here. Should you require any further information, please contact us via email at highways@southwark.gov.uk.



Kind regards,



Rebecca Barkham



Project Manager

Highways | Department Environment & Leisure

London Borough of Southwark

PO Box 64529, London SE1P 5LX



Visitors: 160 Tooley Street, SE1 2QH

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by bobbsy January 15, 11:16AM

Why do we want to get people out of cars? Cars are useful tools, and the problems of emissions and pollution are being tackled.

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by Asset January 15, 05:09PM

4/10

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by bobbsy January 16, 08:11AM

No, a serious question. I'm aware this seems to be important for some, but it's not for me and not for my circle of friends and colleagues. I view the problem of emissions as serious, but otherwise I view cars as valuable and I have no plans to live a carless life anytime soon.

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by Abe_froeman January 16, 11:05AM

The two most frequent motivations for getting people out of cars are 1) politics of envy or 2)being part of the fanatical cycling lobby.

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Posted by Huggers January 16, 11:38AM

CPZ will make no difference to amount of cars used, but might stop peoples non local relatives parking their campervans in the streets. Its a cynical financial thing for the council. We voted against it but they are pushing it through anyway.

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Posted by DuncanW January 16, 12:13PM

Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> The two most frequent motivations for getting
> people out of cars are 1) politics of envy or
> 2)being part of the fanatical cycling lobby.


Really?? - How did you come to that conclusion, Abe?

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by micromacromonkey January 16, 01:32PM

Huggers Wrote:
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> CPZ will make no difference to amount of cars
> used, but might stop peoples non local relatives
> parking their campervans in the streets. Its a
> cynical financial thing for the council. We voted
> against it but they are pushing it through anyway.

Don't quite understand the obsession with how much this costs. It's a tiny fraction of the cost of running a car.

I am considering getting rid of my car as a result of this (and the ULEZ), given that living in London it is rarely required (going to the tip and B+Q are my only uses for it really).

messageRe: CPZ announced
Posted by rahrahrah January 17, 11:14AM

The CPZ is not about reducing car use. If anything it encourages people to keep a car. It certainly increases the already high sense of entitlement that most car users have with regards domination over public space.

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Posted by roywj January 17, 06:19PM

Agree with your previous posts about reducing car use and I believe that the CPZ will reduce commuters traveling to and parking in the CPZ area. I think it's a step in the right direction and certainly doesn't encourage people to keep a car due to the additional cost and less availability of parking due to parking controls.


rahrahrah Wrote:
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> The CPZ is not about reducing car use. If anything
> it encourages people to keep a car. It certainly
> increases the already high sense of entitlement
> that most car users have with regards domination
> over public space.

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