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messageCafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by siousxiesue October 05, 04:51PM

Does anyone else have a conflicted view over this?

I'm afraid this move will restrict certain people unfairly, lots of people (myself included) prefer to keep an eye on daily coffee spending, not to mention being discriminatory to folk without access to bank accounts.


A straw poll today proved it to be an unpopular move and I'm wondering if this was in their original application for the contract. does the council not have a duty to see all members of it's community has access to recreation facilities?


Am I overreacting?

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by PeckhamRose October 05, 07:41PM

I totally agree with you. This is awful. I never use cards if I can avoid it. I always love using cash. Often, shops like it too. But you're right, many people don't have a choice. (Some of my clients still pay me by cheque!) Having said that, some people can't afford the sort of prices in many such establishments anyway.

Certainly won't be going back to this cafe till they re-instate the use of cash. And they shall survive.

--------------------
Humanist Funeral Celebrant

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by tiddles October 05, 07:59PM

Its probably to do with lessening the likelihood of a break in. Also
Paying cash into banks is quite time consuming as more branches close. I
Think Tart went cashless because of repeated burglaries

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by siousxiesue October 05, 09:53PM

tiddles Wrote:
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> Its probably to do with lessening the likelihood
> of a break in. Also
> Paying cash into banks is quite time consuming as
> more branches close. I
> Think Tart went cashless because of repeated
> burglaries

I understand an independent doing it, but a chain like this, with presence in the Royal Parks as they are proud of advertising, I think it's unreasonable.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by Jacqui5254 October 05, 10:02PM

Yes, got turned away on Tuesday after queuing with a 3 year old.

Didn't want to go for a trip to the park with a handbag so just put some cash in my pocket.

No drinks for us.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by ed26 October 05, 10:13PM

I totally get this from a business point of view. Banks now charge a lot for cash & cheques, and it may be disproportionate to the amount of cash they are banking, if it's a flat or minimum fee rather than a percentage. Also makes sense from a cashing up and security point of view.

Personally, I'd prefer a cashless cafe to a £10 minimum spend (like some places do for cards) and it's nice not to feel guilty for only putting £2 or so on a card transaction.

I'm the complete opposite to Jacqui5254 though - I wouldn't think of leaving the house without my debit card but I'm often without cash, and I rarely go to the cafe unless I'm having lunch with the nipper, so that's a £20-£30 tab anyway.

But overall, I think that cafes like the Peckham Rye and Dulwich Park should be classed as community amenities and should be as accessible as possible to everyone, so I hope they have a good reason for this, rather than it just being a chain-wide decision made at the top.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by worldwiser October 06, 08:36AM

They are in a somewhat exposed position so I have some sympathy with wishing to avoid the logistics of cash management on and off the premises.

But the primary reason for avoiding the café is the simply outrageous prices. Having to carry that much cash around to settle a bill there is something I'd want to avoid.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by 1921 October 06, 09:53AM

I personally do not like it but I fully understand why they have done it, the Green and Brown cafe chain in Crystal Palace have repeatedly been broken into.

It is a shame the negative behaviour of others has an impact on us all.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by JohnL October 06, 10:01AM

1921 Wrote:
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> I personally do not like it but I fully understand
> why they have done it, the Green and Brown cafe
> chain in Crystal Palace have repeatedly been
> broken into.
>
> It is a shame the negative behaviour of others has
> an impact on us all.

I'm not sure it's all about crime(maybe partially).

2019 is the year I switched over - could be the turning point in cash->cashless.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by fishbiscuits October 06, 09:02PM

It does suck a bit... if I'm going for a run I'll often chuck a fiver in my pocket so I can stop somewhere for 5 minutes at the end to relax with a coffee.

I always assumed the main reason for going cashless is that they can serve customers more quickly, but yes I guess the logistics of depositing cash and keeping stocked with change has an overhead (and risk) too.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by JohnL October 07, 11:54AM

fishbiscuits Wrote:
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> It does suck a bit... if I'm going for a run I'll
> often chuck a fiver in my pocket so I can stop
> somewhere for 5 minutes at the end to relax with a
> coffee.

Someone must be working on a solution to that (and cheaper than Apple Watch smiling smiley )

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by micromacromonkey October 07, 12:17PM

Better for the business: Bank charges for cash handling are getting higher, employees with fingers in the tills, theft from premises overnight, shorter dwell time at the tills etc.

Better for most consumers: why would you carry a selection of bits of metal and paper around to exchange for most likely a different set of bits of metal, when you can carry a small piece of plastic, or even better just use your phone, which you are likely to have with you anyhow? If you are worried about tracking spending (as one person said above) then get your bank's app. My credit card app sends me a notification instantly for every purchase.

It's not ideal for people without bank accounts, but frankly those sort of people are unlikely to be paying £9.75 for a fish finger sandwich.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred October 07, 01:27PM

I prefer cashless as I rarely have cash. Most people are paid via the bank so I don’t see the issue with using a card?

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichFox October 07, 02:53PM

The only time I would use the cafe on Peckham Rye is if I'm out exercising / going for a walk
and fancied a Tea and a cake.

I do not carry credit cards whilst out walking as my tracksuit bottoms do not have deep secure pockets.
I seldom carry credit cards at all and NEVER at night. I get cash from the bank during the day and take enough
cash with me when I go out at night to cover my needs.. Beer and Curry.

Also cashless must limit Children from using the facilities.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by Zaardvark October 07, 03:15PM

Afraid so. Going cashless is the future (i.e. visit Stockholm) and all smartphones have the capability to be used like cards also. If they were burgled/robbed then you have to understand. I am surprised to read the negativity in the comments and "I seldom carry credit cards at all and NEVER at night." is true to form for DulwichFox (i.e is not true and is to provoke).

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichBorn&Bred October 07, 03:20PM

Most people have to use their cards to draw out cash, saves them doing that.
DulwichFox, there is debit cards too, not just credit cards and if your pockets aren’t deep enough to carry a small piece of plastic, then you can’t carry cash or your door keys or your phone in your pockets either.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by cella October 07, 03:21PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> The only time I would use the cafe on Peckham Rye
> is if I'm out exercising / going for a walk
> and fancied a Tea and a cake.
>
> I do not carry credit cards whilst out walking as
> my tracksuit bottoms do not have deep secure
> pockets.
> I seldom carry credit cards at all and NEVER at
> night. I get cash from the bank during the day and
> take enough
> cash with me when I go out at night to cover my
> needs.. Beer and Curry.
>
> Also cashless must limit Children from using the
> facilities.
>
> DulwichFox


...and certainly never, by anyone, ever in Peckham....

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by pk October 07, 03:23PM

Zaardvark Wrote:
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> Afraid so. Going cashless is the future (i.e.
> visit Stockholm) and all smartphones have the
> capability to be used like cards also. If they
> were burgled/robbed then you have to understand. I
> am surprised to read the negativity in the
> comments and "I seldom carry credit cards at all
> and NEVER at night." is true to form for
> DulwichFox (i.e is not true and is to provoke).

but isn't DF's main point that businesses should consider his tracksuit bottoms when deciding how to take payment??

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichFox October 07, 04:01PM

cella Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The only time I would use the cafe on Peckham
> Rye
> > is if I'm out exercising / going for a walk
> > and fancied a Tea and a cake.
> >
> > I do not carry credit cards whilst out walking
> as
> > my tracksuit bottoms do not have deep secure
> > pockets.
> > I seldom carry credit cards at all and NEVER
> at
> > night. I get cash from the bank during the day
> and
> > take enough
> > cash with me when I go out at night to cover
> my
> > needs.. Beer and Curry.
> >
> > Also cashless must limit Children from using
> the
> > facilities.
> >
> > DulwichFox
>
>
...and certainly never, by anyone, ever in Peckham....

And why might that be cella ???

You seem to have an obsession with Peckham where I was born, went to school and lived in for 28 years

I'm still out and about walking/shopping in Peckham several times a week. I use lots of shops on Rye Lane.

I often use Manzes Pie and Mash .. I believe they do not take cards.

Fox

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by pk October 07, 04:34PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> You seem to have an obsession with Peckham where I
> was born, went to school and lived in for 28
> years
>
> I'm still out and about walking/shopping in
> Peckham several times a week. I use lots of shops
> on Rye Lane.
>
> I often use Manzes Pie and Mash .. I believe they
> do not take cards.
>
> Fox


“Rye Lane is a No-Go zone”

“would not dream of walking around that area on my own at night”

“Its a Shite Hole. the place is derelict”

“I do not see the point of going to Peckham if you live in East Dulwich”

all DF 2019

DF - if you want people to take you seriously ever you should probably stop contradicting yourself so much

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by kford October 07, 04:42PM

It's the way of the world. The Oval is cashless and so are many streetfood stalls and pop-ups, for all the reasons above. I actually prefer it to cash-only places, like Thai Corner Cafe.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichFox October 07, 05:04PM

pk Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> > You seem to have an obsession with Peckham where
> I
> > was born, went to school and lived in for 28
> > years
> >
> > I'm still out and about walking/shopping in
> > Peckham several times a week. I use lots of
> shops
> > on Rye Lane.
> >
> > I often use Manzes Pie and Mash .. I believe
> they
> > do not take cards.
> >
> > Fox
>
>
> “Rye Lane is a No-Go zone”
>
> “would not dream of walking around that area on my
> own at night”
>
> “Its a Shite Hole. the place is derelict”
>
> “I do not see the point of going to Peckham if you
> live in East Dulwich”
>
> all DF 2019
>
> DF - if you want people to take you seriously ever
> you should probably stop contradicting yourself so
> much

All partial extracts of replies to several threads on different subjects taken out of context.

Fox.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by pk October 07, 05:24PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> pk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DulwichFox Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > “Rye Lane is a No-Go zone”
> >
> > “would not dream of walking around that area on
> my
> > own at night”
> >
> > “Its a Shite Hole. the place is derelict”
> >
> > “I do not see the point of going to Peckham if
> you
> > live in East Dulwich”
> >
> > all DF 2019
> >
> > DF - if you want people to take you seriously
> ever
> > you should probably stop contradicting yourself
> so
> > much
>
> All partial extracts of replies to several threads
> on different subjects taken out of context.
>
> Fox.

All from the same thread (I know you’re not big on facts, but that’s a fact)

Guess they’re therefore on the same subject

And in any context the meaning is clear

But for context, this is from the thread where you were said ‘what do you expect[?]’ in relation to an attempted mugging on rye lane (the quotes were in the 2nd and 7th posts)

Guess that means I win

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by DulwichFox October 07, 06:20PM

I have agreed with Admin not to further comment on aspects of safety in the area here on EDF.
I.E. Not to over emphasise the situation.

There are MANY places which can be thought of as requiring caution. I use my discretion as to
where and when I go to those places.

This thread is about the Cafe on Peckham Rye going Cashless. lets stick to the subject.

DulwichFox

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by pk October 07, 07:42PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> I have agreed with Admin not to further comment on
> aspects of safety in the area here on EDF.
> I.E. Not to over emphasise the situation.
>
So did you admit you got it wrong in the past?

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by paulu197 October 07, 09:21PM

I think its fantastic - so much easier to use. Safer for all parties. I'm also a huge fan of the scan and go section of Sainsburys. I can go in, do my shop and it's so much more convenient for myself

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by Frankito October 07, 09:38PM

Enough of this baiting please, you made your point now please move on as it makes for very boring reading. You two should meet for a beer and thrash out your ‘differences’ in person.....

pk Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have agreed with Admin not to further comment
> on
> > aspects of safety in the area here on EDF.
> > I.E. Not to over emphasise the situation.
> >
> So did you admit you got it wrong in the past?

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by Sue October 07, 09:53PM

Frankito Wrote:
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> Enough of this baiting please, you made your point
> now please move on as it makes for very boring
> reading.


What you mean is, you are bored. Please don't speak for everybody else!

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by Pugwash October 07, 10:00PM

I am not sure of the weekly/monthly charges that banks charge businesses for their card machines but I am advised that small businesses/charities cannot guarantee a set weekly income to warrant the cost of one of these machines. My hairdresser only takes cash, many small concerns used to take cheques supported by a cheque guarantee card but with the abolition of these cards, they will only accept cash. Today I paid by card in Marks and Spencers, cash in Farmers and card in Superdrug. Cash at my local newsagent, and café. My kids and grandchildren get cash or cheques for presents.

messageRe: Cafe in Peckham Rye goes cashless
Posted by siousxiesue October 07, 10:43PM

For those people disturbed enough at this exclusionist behaviour at what is a 'community' asset I have been advised to approach the council member for Parks and also equalities, Cllr Rebecca Lury.

Rebecca.lury@southwark.gov.uk

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