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messageAlleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Bicknell 17 October, 2019 13:42

Theres a planning application in to make Alleyns Junior School bigger. reference number 19/AP/5616 online now - [planning.southwark.gov.uk]. You can comment. So far objections because more cars, more traffic , more pollution.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by herne hilly 17 October, 2019 17:51

Didn't they re do part of it a few years back. Does the council take note of these comments, how much do they count towards the final decision.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by slarti b 17 October, 2019 22:29

I had a quick look at the Travel plan drawn up as part of this expansion.

Alleyns expect to increase the number of pupils by 35-42 (seems low for 3 new forms) and have another 6 staff. Over 40% of current junior school pupils and staff come by car. So this will mean an increase in traffic in an area that is already heavily congested by traffic from Alleyns and JAGS. In addition, they will reduce the number of car parking spaces available in the school which, together with the introduction of the CPZ whill put even more pressure on parking in surrounding streets outside the new CPZ such as Calton Avenue, Townley, Dovercourt and Beauval Roads.

We have seen a huge expansion of these 2 schools over the last couple of decades with little regard to the effect on the local community in terms of traffic, pollution and parking. I hope people will look at these plans carefully and let the council know of any concerns they may have.

Link here [planning.southwark.gov.uk]

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Bicknell 18 October, 2019 08:24

Its all the local kids trying to walk to school I worry about. Theres enough bad driving as it is without more cars.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Metallic 18 October, 2019 09:17

It is time all the Foundation Schools took notice of people who live near to their schools, and for once thought about young local children walking to the two Infants schools and the Hamlet, through the fumes from their cars and coaches.

The Alleyn's application has a breakdown of how their total pupil group get to school and most of them could get to school - any of the FS - by public transport.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by seenbeen 18 October, 2019 13:21

I don't know about today but when my kids were at the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village loads of parents drove their kids there. My next door neighbour always drove her kids there in the Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk at the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had to drop young kids off at one or two schools and then drive to work or they would not have been in time...in the main you are talking about removing hard won freedoms from working women

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by singalto 18 October, 2019 14:09

I live near a primary school and lots of children there are driven. Some parents sit in their cars with the engine idling. Itís a universal problem, not just private schools.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Metallic 18 October, 2019 14:23

seenbeen Wrote:
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> I don't know about today but when my kids were at
> the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village
> loads of parents drove their kids there. My next
> door neighbour always drove her kids there in the
> Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk at
> the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had to
> drop young kids off at one or two schools and then
> drive to work or they would not have been in
> time...in the main you are talking about removing
> hard won freedoms from working women

These days there is a move to walk or cycle - even scoot. Yes I think there were more local drivers dropping off their children in previous generations but it is nothing to do with protecting the rights of women who are mothers, to work. They should be using public transport after they have delivered their children to school. We are much more aware nowadays of the damage done to the environment our children live in, and to them. Create new habits!!

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by sillywoman 18 October, 2019 17:13

Metallic Wrote:
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> seenbeen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't know about today but when my kids were
> at
> > the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village
> > loads of parents drove their kids there. My
> next
> > door neighbour always drove her kids there in
> the
> > Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk
> at
> > the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had
> to
> > drop young kids off at one or two schools and
> then
> > drive to work or they would not have been in
> > time...in the main you are talking about
> removing
> > hard won freedoms from working women
>
> These days there is a move to walk or cycle - even
> scoot. Yes I think there were more local drivers
> dropping off their children in previous
> generations but it is nothing to do with
> protecting the rights of women who are mothers, to
> work. They should be using public transport after
> they have delivered their children to school. We
> are much more aware nowadays of the damage done to
> the environment our children live in, and to them.
> Create new habits!!

Yes, I don't know when seenbeen's children attended, but mine were there 2000-2013, and through that time the huge majority of parents walked their children to the village schools. It was always an irony as we headed past Alleyns and down the hill to DVI & Hamlet, to see all the little darlings being driven UP the hill from outlying areas to JAGs and Alleyns.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Bicknell 21 October, 2019 09:40

Objections still coming in [planning.southwark.gov.uk]

I wonder if the council will listen.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by intexasatthe moment 21 October, 2019 10:12

Anyone care to predict how much longer before Townley Rd is subsumed into the Foundation Schools Estate ?

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by slarti b 22 October, 2019 16:00

Cycling in to work through Dulwich Village a pleasure this week as the Foundation schools and state schools are both on holiday.

Will be interesting to see what it is like next week when I think it is just Foundation schools. From previous experience it will be almost as good.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Melihoople 22 October, 2019 19:53

Thank you for posting & highlighting this application. It does seem that footprint of the school far exceeds the land it actually occupies. The foundation schools do not seem to have addressed in any way the impact their businesses have on the local population and environment.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by James Barber 23 October, 2019 12:05

It is a universal problem of children being driven to school - but especially pronounced when the entry requirements for local provide schools are not based on distance from the school.
Alleyns is a sub-regional school. Admissions to the Junior school near 100% result in pupils gaining admission to the secondary school - so super attractive to some families from some, for London, significant distances away to get into the Junior School and drive pupils until old enough to use the coach service.

For a number of years I've suggested to Southwark Council Development/Planning teams that a limit of further private school development via a Supplementary Planning Guide is required.

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messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Mick Mac 24 October, 2019 02:16

Are your children finished at Alleyns now James?

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by intexasatthe moment 24 October, 2019 09:54

Must be some reason for change in tone .

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by James Barber 24 October, 2019 15:57

Hi Mick Mac,
No.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by bels123 27 October, 2019 20:42

A reminder of the deadline - 31st October.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Bicknell 30 October, 2019 17:39

Comments still coming in. Objections based on pollution and air quality.
[planning.southwark.gov.uk]

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by bels123 31 October, 2019 10:29

Last day to have your say.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Melihoople 31 October, 2019 11:59

51 comments! Is that a lot for a planning application?

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by seenbeen 31 October, 2019 12:16

singalto Wrote:
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> I live near a primary school and lots of children
> there are driven. Some parents sit in their cars
> with the engine idling. Itís a universal problem,
> not just private schools.

Yes- have any of you ever been caught up in the chaos around Francesca Cabrini school near Forest Hill?

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by goldilocks 01 November, 2019 08:04

Despite this consultation being scheduled to close yesterday, it seems from the site that you can still make comments. 54 comments - 53 of them opposing the expansion. If you wanted to comment and haven't done yet, worth clicking the link above.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Townleygreen 01 November, 2019 09:25

Be aware - if the planning is not approved, the school can appeal to the minister responsible.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Melihoople 01 November, 2019 15:30

What does that mean Townleygreen? I get they would have right of appeal. But what special powers would the minister bring?

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Townleygreen 01 November, 2019 18:14

Well he/she can overall Southwark's decision and make the final arbitration.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by TheCat 01 November, 2019 19:03

If they guarantee places to local kids, I won't object....

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by James Barber 02 November, 2019 08:52

No, if the school is refused planning permission by Southwark Council the applicant can appeal that decision. A planning inspector then re runs the decision either based solely on written evidence or holding a F2F element for oral evidence to be heard. The inspector then writes a report making a recommendation to grant or refuse permission. The relevant minister usually rubber stamps that decision but can and does rarely take a different view to that planning inspector recommendation.
The only route to challenge IF Southwark Council were to grant permission would be via a Judicial Review within 3 months if there was evidence Southwark had not followed their processes or the law in reaching its decision.
The planning system is biased towards applicants (clearly in my personal view).

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
[twitter.com]

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by dulwichgenie 09 November, 2019 09:37

The stats for Dulwich Village Infants for 2019 is that out of 270 pupils, 252 walked, cycled or scooted to school so yes, whilst some people do drive, 93% of the pupil population don't! I suspect this has % has increased over time due to increased awareness and terrible traffic.

The business model for the the Foundation schools has evolved over time so that the emphasis is on solely on academic achievement which means that there are naturally more people driving and coaches busing kids in from West London etc.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by Pandicorn 10 November, 2019 21:09

There are many local children who walk, cycle or get the bus to go to the Foundation Schools (especially the junior/ prep schools) and we local parents work hard to pay for them to attend.

We choose to do this rather than pay the huge uplift that very few can afford, to live within 100m catchment area of a 'local school' which prices out and therefore edges out families who really need thir kids to attend a good state school, all the while secretly feeling smug that you've somehow got close to a private school education - or at least to only mixing with other middle class people - for free. I speak from personal experience of friends who would only allow their children to go to particular high achieving state schools, and who have attended church and moved home to get them in, and then complain about we parents who pay taxes to support state schools, and then on top of that choose to pay more for our own childrens' education. Very boring to hear people complain about private school privilege when they've contributed to a damaging privilege system within the state school infrastructure.



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