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messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by EDfor January 29, 06:22PM

That would certainly fit Alleyn's record of saying one thing & then doing another.
Today I believe is the last day to make a comment.

Southwark Planning Register ref: 19/AP/5616

at least according to the important docs section on their dreadful planning website! It would be nice to think there was an extension till 12th Feb

Also am I alone in thinking there ought to be a single clear summary of these proposals - who is going to download 75 different planning docs??



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messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by goldilocks January 29, 06:38PM

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Comments were extended until the 12th Feb

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by JEG1 January 30, 10:41AM

Kingsdale (Alleyn Park) has more pupils than Alleyn's senior school. Kingsdale's catchment is also getting wider every year, as they don't have a distance criteria on their admissions policy. They are also increasing their published intake this year, in response to the overwhelming demand for school places. I'm just comparing two local schools, one private, one state, same issues. Parents drive their children to both schools. Our population is growing and their aren't enough school places. We all need to stop driving everywhere, not just parents taking children to school. We also need school places.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by DadOf4 January 30, 10:46AM

I have just added further comments to the planning application [planning.southwark.gov.uk]

It is worth noting that Alleyns are clearly trying to get "technical" here - the recent air quality report and transport plan are there to "scientifically" show how (a) there isn't really a problem (b) increased problems due to expansion will be insignificant/ below acceptable limits and (c) theyre doing lots to mitigate

I don't believe any of that and their air quality report is fundamentally flawed - but theyre playing a legal game around planning laws and using scaring looking reports to show that there is no case to answer. I therefore think that they will use this to try and discount "general" objections around air quality/traffic. I encourage others to look at their new information in detail


My comments on planning portal:

I would like to add further comments after the publishing of the documents "Air Quality Assessment" (3/1/20) and "Travel Plan" (7/1/20)

The air quality assessment has clearly been produced to create a case that the potential increased pollution is insignificant. Its data and method are fundamentally flawed and can not be used to draw the conclusions that the report makes. The use of AURN sites, which (with the exception of SD10) that are on streets that are likely to have zero traffic related to this school or its expansion , to form a baseline, is flawed. The increased pollution would be heavily localised and can only be modelled through use of monitoring sites on roads likely to be affected. This report is scientifically unfit for purpose and should be discounted.

It is also worth noting that Southwark is currently (and separately) consulting on other measures to deal with traffic pollution in this area. Results from that consultation show "Air quality profiles shows that pollution concentration is worse in around 7:00-10am and 15:00-19:00 "
It also states: "is an extremely high volume of pedestrian traffic at Dulwich Village and at the junction of East Dulwich Grove with Townley Road"
I find it ironic that Southwark council see the problem as bad enough to warrant a major, area wide, consultation but this report declares effectively that air pollution is within acceptable limits - when viewed from the context of one of the organisations contributing most to that traffic

Travel Plan
The travel plan outlines a set of objectives & initiatives to reduce car/taxi journeys by the school- which should be welcomed.
However, it is worth noting that any significant reductions from these initiatives are expected to take 5 years. It is also with noting that, out of the 35 initiatives listed to meet these objectives, 32 have their completion date listed as either "ongoing or TBC". This leads me to believe that these initiatives are simply pipe dreams or lip service to the planning authority
The local traffic chaos is happening now and will be made worse by these expansion plans. Local residents should not have to wait 5 years for mitigating initiatives to take effect.
Any planning permission for expansion of this school, should be only given on the explicit condition that most of these initiatives are in effect BEFORE that expansion happens
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messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by d.b January 30, 01:00PM

Nimby squad, assemble!

In all seriousness, this is a very minor change and I see no serious reason why you should object other than the obvious one of not wanting building work going on near your house. A handful of extra children at the junior school is not going to have any measurable effect on air quality. BTW I live right by the school and have never had a problem with it, they operate just the same as any other school.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by redpost January 30, 02:15PM

They don't operate the same as any other school though do they, most state school places are allocated by distance allowing children to walk and cycle to school.

Private school parents are much wealthier than average, live much further away because of selection - and consequently much more likely to drive (or have nanny drive) kids to school long distances in a heavy SUV.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by JEG1 January 31, 08:27AM

redpost Wrote:
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> They don't operate the same as any other school
> though do they, most state school places are
> allocated by distance allowing children to walk
> and cycle to school.
>
> Private school parents are much wealthier than
> average, live much further away because of
> selection - and consequently much more likely to
> drive (or have nanny drive) kids to school long
> distances in a heavy SUV.

My children go to a local state primary and loads of the parents drive their kids to and from school. My son nearly got knocked over by one.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by DadOf4 January 31, 12:06PM

d.b Wrote:
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> Nimby squad, assemble!
>
> In all seriousness, this is a very minor change
> and I see no serious reason why you should object
> other than the obvious one of not wanting building
> work going on near your house. A handful of extra
> children at the junior school is not going to have
> any measurable effect on air quality. BTW I live
> right by the school and have never had a problem
> with it, they operate just the same as any other
> school.



Well, Alleyn's acknowledge that they have a problem with transport- hence the proposed 35 different initiatives to reduce car travel - its just I have doubts about their intention to follow through on those initiatives.

They are also worried about air quality enough to commission a study - its just I have serious doubts about the conclusions of that study

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by WelshRich February 06, 08:32AM

Travel Plans and Air Quality Assessments are both, amongst many many others, standard requirements for planning applications these days across London boroughs. All part of being accountable and open to scrutiny. Not to submit them would be open to alternative criticisms

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by goldilocks February 06, 09:53AM

This is all true - its not the inclusion of them that is disingenuous - more some of the content! The air quality monitors chosen for the report ignore the closest monitors and cherry pick non comparable and further away data points.

The travel plan is interesting - but I note that all the mitigation plans are future pipe dreams rather than actually in place. Unless I've missed the huge crocodile of kids doing park and stride options from Sainsburys..... (no - thought not!)

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by DadOf4 February 06, 04:15PM

WelshRich Wrote:
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> Travel Plans and Air Quality Assessments are both,
> amongst many many others, standard requirements
> for planning applications these days across London
> boroughs. All part of being accountable and open
> to scrutiny. Not to submit them would be open to
> alternative criticisms


Nope - not in this case anyway.
No air quality assessment (of any kind) was provided with the planning application - that was added, much later, after the numerous objections

There was an initial travel plan - but did not really "admit" that there was much of a problem - but a new one has been added, again after all of the objections

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by AlleynView February 09, 11:57PM

It is disappointing to see Alleyn's being singled out as the source of air pollution problems in Dulwich. Bad air quality can't be pinned on just the school. Has no one else noticed the presence of builders, plumbers, utility vans etc. during the day? Delivery drivers? No one else use grocery delivery? Or Amazon? We walk to school like many families, but not having a car means we do damage in other ways. Its a much larger issue than a few extra kids at one local school.



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messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by creditwheredue February 10, 08:34AM

The odd builders can or grocery delivery doesnt cause the congestion during school hours that Alleyns coaches do.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by slarti b February 10, 09:35AM

AlleynView Wrote:
>It is disappointing to see Alleyn's being singled out as the source of air pollution problems in Dulwich...

> in other ways. Its a much larger issue than a few extra kids at one local school.

I agree that the problem is wider than just Alleyns however they are part of the problem and are making it worse.

This proposal is the latest in a long series of expansions and developments by the foundation schools. These result in considerable disruption and inconvenience for local residents to which the schools seem oblivious. Given the wider catchment area of the foundation schools and the higher proportion of their pupils coming to school by car this also affects air quality and traffic.

messageRe: Alleyns Junior School - planning
Posted by ari.quigley February 13, 12:15PM

There is an issue though with volume of traffic and a worrying level of inconsiderate and dangerous driving and parking around these schools though. As has been mentioned already, the nature of these schools means a higher proportion travel in, plus they are more likely to have siblings attending auto clicker different schools which means its more likely they are driven to school, so most of the issues that also exist at local state schools are multiplied.



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