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messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?attachment
Posted by Sue 25 November, 2019 17:50

What is ironic is that last year somebody painted what I thought was a really sweet little poem on this wall (picture attached) and it was removed within a few days.

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messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Willard 25 November, 2019 17:54

Pardon my French, but I think it looks shite. What a missed opportunity.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Finderloo 25 November, 2019 22:44

Have to say everyone I've spoken to likes the mural - adds a nice bright bit of colour and something a bit different. Nothing there to offend anyone, and more interesting than a blank brick wall. Hopefully it helps to keep some of the independent shops we're lucky enough to have plied with customers.
I guess nothing will be to everyone's taste and everyone is obviously welcome to their opinions, I get that.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by nxjen 26 November, 2019 07:37

Weíve become spoiled in East Dulwich and used to thought provoking and interesting street art. The purpose of this Ďmuralí is a colourful way of drawing attention to the businesses and market in North Cross Road rather than adding to the Dulwich Outdoor Gallery. So we have to look at it through different eyes rather than looking for something edgy though I would have preferred something a little more interesting than this bland use of paint.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by rahrahrah 26 November, 2019 08:56

They're looking to redevelop that building anyway, extending it and putting flats at the back, so the mural may not be there for long.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 26 November, 2019 11:47

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> They're looking to redevelop that building anyway,
> extending it and putting flats at the back, so the
> mural may not be there for long.


Thank goodness for that smiling smiley

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Jules-and-Boo 26 November, 2019 13:35

would have preferred to have commissioned a local school and given them the money

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 26 November, 2019 19:45

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:
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> would have preferred to have commissioned a local
> school and given them the money


Yes, that would have been a great idea.

A wall near the Cowley Centre in Oxford has a brilliant series of murals done by local children, I believe from various local schools and community groups.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:01

Theyíre not murals. Most of them are street art commissioned by Dulwich Picture Gallery as an outdoor exhibition. There used to be tours but sadly the lady who did them passed away.
The one by the station was commissioned by the East Dulwich Action Group as part of the Southwark funded High Street Challenge - who also ran the photo competition for the banners.
The one on the side of Superdrug is being organised by a new group.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:03

Totally incorrect. Donít post rumour Alice, deal in facts

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:07

No it has not been done by East Dulwich Action Group. All of this art is coated to protect it and stop graffiti

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:11

Money is made available for specific projects. If an outdoor gym is important to you, work with Southwark to make it happen instead of spending your time bitching on here. Do something. Put your opinions to
Good use rather than being a troll

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:11

Not actually true is it Fox? You canít just paint a mural anywhere. Try using facts rather spouting rubbish

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by sunshine77 01 December, 2019 11:14

Of course it has permission. What a bloody stupid thing to say

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 01 December, 2019 21:52

sunshine77 Wrote:
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> Totally incorrect. Donít post rumour Alice, deal
> in facts


It isn't clear what post you are responding to! Nor is it clear in your subsequent posts!

The "quote this message" option is a helpful one in this respect smiling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2019:12:01:21:54:20 by Sue.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by dbboy 01 December, 2019 22:59

Thought art was meant to be expressive and interpreted differently, so two people's perceptions will be very different.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by rahrahrah 02 December, 2019 09:00

Whilst many high streets are boarded up / in serious decline, East Dulwich is arguing over a whether or not they like a mural.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 02 December, 2019 10:18

rahrahrah Wrote:
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> Whilst many high streets are boarded up / in
> serious decline, East Dulwich is arguing over a
> whether or not they like a mural.


It's the East Dulwich Forum.

The mural is a fair subject for discussion, I would say smiling smiley

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by DulwichFox 02 December, 2019 11:04

With regards to the Mural I think enough has been said.

Not worthy of continual discussion.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 02 December, 2019 13:15

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> With regards to the Mural I think enough has been
> said.
>
> Not worthy of continual discussion.


What do you consider "worthy of continual discussion", then, Dulwich Fox?

This is a forum. People discuss things on it. Like local issues. Like this one.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by DulwichFox 02 December, 2019 13:37

Sue Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With regards to the Mural I think enough has
> been
> > said.
> >
> > Not worthy of continual discussion.
>
>
> What do you consider "worthy of continual
> discussion", then, Dulwich Fox?
>
> This is a forum. People discuss things on it. Like
> local issues. Like this one.

Well As far as I am concerned I personally have no more to say on the matter.
Or do you want to make it compulsory like Voting. ?

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 02 December, 2019 14:20

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Well As far as I am concerned I personally have no
> more to say on the matter.
> Or do you want to make it compulsory like Voting.
> ?


Eh?!

It didn't occur to you to just stop posting on the thread if you "personally" had no more to say then?

big grin big grin big grin

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 23 December, 2019 12:31

alice Wrote:
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> Itís southwark CGS funded


It now (or maybe always did) says at the bottom right that it is Cleaner Greener Safer funded.

Can anybody explain to me how a painted wall is making North Cross Road cleaner, greener or safer?

And if not, how on earth did the money to paint the wall come out of this particular pot of council money?

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by alice 23 December, 2019 13:36

Got an email with all the successful CGS funding applications. Very interesting

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by Sue 23 December, 2019 14:24

alice Wrote:
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> Got an email with all the successful CGS funding
> applications. Very interesting


Care to share it on here?!

Or post a link to where we can see these successful applications?

Because I would be extremely interested to see whether they actually meet the criteria for CGS funding (though it's a long time since I was involved in CGS projects, so possibly things have changed .....)

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by first mate 23 December, 2019 14:34

alice Wrote:
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> Got an email with all the successful CGS funding
> applications. Very interesting

Couldn't agree more. How in any way does this 'mural' make the area cleaner and greener?

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?attachment
Posted by alice 23 December, 2019 21:33

Hope this works.

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messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by intexasatthe moment 24 December, 2019 09:47

I'd like to know what the criteria is for CGS funding .

It all seems bonkers to me - presumably the mural is providing a "cleaner " vision of the wall ? Couldn't they just have increased the provision of cloth bags* ? We could put them over our heads, instantly removing all visual clutter and simultaneously filtering air pollution. In fact as we'd no longer be able to see anything and would be stranded at home this would reduce demand for consumer tat and traffic movement plus help the NHS by cutting demand for beds as we quietly fade away at home .

I suppose the ED Harris Academy gets £17,000 for air purification works because they have professional advice at their fingertips and were on the ball when it came to applying .

It seems odd to me that Southwark gives money from a heavily slashed and constrained budget to a school funded by central government and having other central government revenue sources (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/school-capital-funding ) available for this type of thing .

* I'll leave it to someone else to say "what cloth bags ? " .
Oh ,whoops I haven't .

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by worldwiser 24 December, 2019 10:13

Harris got the £17k because levels of pollution around the school are at illegal levels. Governors at the school took matters into their own hands to ensure the kids don't have to breathe such filthy air in their classrooms. It wasn't even enough: the money had to be supplemented with a sizeable chunk of cash fundraised through many events. It shouldn't be necessary to find money this way but you go through whichever door is open to you.

messageRe: Mural in North Cross Road?
Posted by nxjen 24 December, 2019 11:15

Though there is a precedent for a mural funded by CGS funds in Kennington, that particular wall attracted a great deal of graffiti and the painting of the mural itself was carried out as a community project. The North Cross Road Committee who applied for the funding is a consortium of independent shops and market traders and the benefit is purely commercial with no cleaner, greener and safety contribution to the community. It should not have received funding from the CGS budget.

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