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messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by heartblock February 13, 01:10PM

Just complain by email, letter and phone. If there is a large response then they will do something. A joint letter from several neighbors gets them worried. Photos of the glare helps too.

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by Penguin68 February 13, 01:26PM

If there is a large response then they will do something.

Evidence?

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by sally buying February 13, 01:31PM

Parking in Dulwich Park and other parks for instance.

Many many objections but they just carried on.



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messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by LEDphobic February 13, 01:32PM

Contact street.lighting@southwark.gov.uk. I also contacted Maggie.browning@southwark.gov.uk as she is my councillor. She referred the query back to street lighting and richard.livingstone@southwark.gov.uk. Richard is a cabinet member for the environment, but he has not responded.
This is the guidance they use: [www.theilp.org.uk]. It is unsurprisingly complex to measure obtrusive light and is not just about Lux’s, but as the ILP says ‘ Remember, lighting is there for a purpose and it is the residents who have to live with it’. I think they have forgotten this. I sympathise with Southwark struggle with having to manage huge cut backs and respect their drive to reduce co2 emissions, but they have done it so badly. It’s a win win if they reduce the luminaries as they also make more savings.



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messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by tigerranks February 14, 12:26PM

i actually feel sorry for the council as you complain when the lights was yellow and highlight how you feel vulnerable when walking home during the short day months
they now have replaced them with energy saving led lights which no you can clearly see the whole length of the street and you still have a moan

REALLY GIVE IT A BREAK IF ITS TO BRIGHT CLOSE YOUR CURTAINS OR MOVE OUT
HOW SE22 HAS REALLY BECOME AN AREA OF NOTHING MORE THAN STUCK UP NOSE MOANERS



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messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by Shivering swan1 February 14, 12:37PM

Agreed, those who don't like streetlights would be better off living in the countryside. But then, what would they moan about then? Which council's time and resources would they waste with ridiculous complaints?

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by bobbsy February 14, 05:02PM

I have never moaned about the old streetlights, not about personal safety. I appreciate the efforts to reduce energy usage, however I like a previous turn of phrase - "our right to night". LED's are neither warm nor inviting. We simply do not need our streets bathed in light the entire night.

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by LEDphobic February 15, 07:27AM

Until now I have never made a complaint to Southwark council and I have lived here for 25 years. I don’t believe the supposed security offered by an over light residential street at night, or the argument that the few cars on our street at night need brighter driving conditions is justified given the impact these harsh, physiologically and ecologically damaging lights will and are having.
I have had an email from Southwark’s light engineer, he is responsible for the new lights. I quote ‘the perception is that white light (3k) in this installation gives an appearance of being a lot brighter’. I think if it appears brighter, it is experienced as brighter, it therefore is brighter. 3000 kelvins is a bright white light. He is scouting our streets on the 20th and so if you haven’t written yet try to do so before he comes as he has to look at all complaints.

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by redpost February 15, 05:47PM

They will never remove LEDs to go back to sodium lamps. Councils are saving serious money as LEDs need far less maintenance (bulb changes, burnt out ballasts etc) and are many times more efficient (saving electricity - which they DO pay for).

messageRe: New LED streetlamps, Underhill Rd - too bright and white
Posted by heartblock February 15, 06:06PM

Yes. Leave the LED.. just shade and filter.

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Posted by rahrahrah Yesterday, 02:01PM

The council has doubled up on streetlights outside my house. Light pollution not a concern apparently

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