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messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 03, 07:18AM

The problem here is the rationale that since it is nice and quiet, the roads are clear, so ‘I’ can continue to get the daily exercise ‘I’ need. If everyone starts to think the same the roads etc..will not be clear for very long.

My own view is if you are lucky enough to have a garden stick to exercise in there. For those that don’t have a garden a quick foray out is important but it is also possible to exercise indoors.

We are not at a stage in this pandemic where people should be thinking anything other than essential journeys are ok. 10 mile bike rides, jogs or walks, are non-essential unless you are a key worker. I’d have thought most key workers at the end of a gruelling day are unlikely to want a long journey home.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by nunhead_man April 03, 08:40AM

"I’d have thought most key workers at the end of a gruelling day are unlikely to want a long journey home"

Watching my neighbour starting their usual 12 mile cycle ride to work as a hospital anaesthetist - they say the ride home is very useful for decompression - especially as the nights are getting lighter and there are less half blind motorists out and about

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 03, 08:46AM

Fair enough. Let’s just leave the long cycle rides and similar to the likes of your friend.

You rightly identify the coming change in weather as a reason more people will be tempted to get back out for lengthy bouts of non-essential exercise.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 03, 11:26AM

In the spirit of "walk a mile in my shoes": [davidallengreen.com]

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 03, 12:31PM

And also this one on the psychological problems caused by quarantine [coronavirusexplained.ukri.org]

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by LJC56 April 03, 12:37PM

Having just been out on the bike shopping, just saying, do take care. The empty roads seem to have encouraged some drivers to assume that speed limits no longer apply. Lordship Lane from Townley Road especially.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 03, 12:42PM

Sally Eva Wrote:
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> And also this one on the psychological problems
> caused by quarantine
> [coronavirusexplained.ukri.org]
> ub0002/?utm_source=Govdelivery&utm_medium=Email&ut
> m_campaign=publichealth&utm_content=UKRI_owned

Yes, again, fair enough. I think what I was referring to and I think we all know this, is the average healthy person who wants to keep their fitness up and is missing the gym or their 20 mile bike ride or regular run and feel that since the roads are currently so quiet this is a great opportunity for them to carry on as usual.If even a quarter of us start to follow suit there will be a problem. We all need to work hard, as hard as possible, to stay in and stop the NHS being overwhelmed as well as try to bring the current situation under control as soon as possible.

There will obviously be exceptions but they will be the minority.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 03, 12:47pm by first mate.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by rahrahrah April 03, 01:26PM

LJC56 Wrote:
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> Having just been out on the bike shopping, just
> saying, do take care. The empty roads seem to have
> encouraged some drivers to assume that speed
> limits no longer apply. Lordship Lane from Townley
> Road especially.

Yep. Other cities have created temporary, segregated cycle routes and put in emergency speed limits to help key worker and those who are trying to avoid public transport, as well as relieving stress son the healthcare system as a result of dangerous driving. London... not so much.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by mako April 03, 01:38PM

I see plenty of Families of 4+ people going out for a jolly bike ride. Looking at the expensive bikes I'm sure most have gardens. Yes its inconvenient but this is life and death. Stay in your own house or garden unless you have to go out. The kids being bored DOES NOT count. The one guideline about out once for exercise may be appropriate in most areas but it means in more densely populated places like ours people are too close too often and it makes it unavoidable for those forced out. I know many older people scared to go out as they cant avoid numerous walkers joggers and cyclists encroaching. what about their mental and physical health?

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by natty01295 April 03, 11:40PM

Get a Engine 30mph
On
Ebay - 4 stroke or 2 stroke



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 04, 02:42pm by natty01295.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by malumbu April 04, 12:11AM

mako Wrote:
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> I see plenty of Families of 4+ people going out
> for a jolly bike ride. Looking at the expensive
> bikes I'm sure most have gardens. Yes its
> inconvenient but this is life and death. Stay in
> your own house or garden unless you have to go
> out. The kids being bored DOES NOT count. The one
> guideline about out once for exercise may be
> appropriate in most areas but it means in more
> densely populated places like ours people are too
> close too often and it makes it unavoidable for
> those forced out. I know many older people scared
> to go out as they cant avoid numerous walkers
> joggers and cyclists encroaching. what about their
> mental and physical health?

I'm happy to take my advice from government, which is go out and exercise once a day. The roads are lovely and quiet and I hardly get close to anyone (ideally that would be zero). Quiet roads are a sliver lining. But tell me where you live and I'll avoid the area. There is a thread on the lounge 'has anyone heard of coronavirus' or words to that effect where you can have a moan in similar company. Today's journey was to Beckenham, and then up Annerley Hill. Not that pretty but a good work out. You will be pleased to hear that I am avoiding Richmond Park, which is too busy at the best of times.

LJ56 - yes the wonkers in cars speeding is even more noticeable, many being businesses quite a lot liveried. There isn't even an argument about congestion delaying journeys any more. I love the BBC using sitcoms to encourage the right behaviours, I'll think about an appropriate sketch to encourage more considerate behaviour by those who have to drive.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 04, 07:24AM

The roads are only lovely and quiet because most people are currently staying in for anything but essential journeys. That will not continue if more people decide to take extended exercise sessions outdoors.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by mako April 04, 04:15PM

malumbu Wrote:
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> mako Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see plenty of Families of 4+ people going out
> > for a jolly bike ride. Looking at the expensive
> > bikes I'm sure most have gardens. Yes its
> > inconvenient but this is life and death. Stay
> in
> > your own house or garden unless you have to go
> > out. The kids being bored DOES NOT count. The
> one
> > guideline about out once for exercise may be
> > appropriate in most areas but it means in more
> > densely populated places like ours people are
> too
> > close too often and it makes it unavoidable for
> > those forced out. I know many older people
> scared
> > to go out as they cant avoid numerous walkers
> > joggers and cyclists encroaching. what about
> their
> > mental and physical health?
>
> I'm happy to take my advice from government, which
> is go out and exercise once a day. The roads are
> lovely and quiet and I hardly get close to anyone
> (ideally that would be zero). Quiet roads are a
> sliver lining. But tell me where you live and
> I'll avoid the area. There is a thread on the
> lounge 'has anyone heard of coronavirus' or words
> to that effect where you can have a moan in
> similar company. Today's journey was to
> Beckenham, and then up Annerley Hill. Not that
> pretty but a good work out. You will be pleased
> to hear that I am avoiding Richmond Park, which is
> too busy at the best of times.
>
> LJ56 - yes the wonkers in cars speeding is even
> more noticeable, many being businesses quite a lot
> liveried. There isn't even an argument about
> congestion delaying journeys any more. I love the
> BBC using sitcoms to encourage the right
> behaviours, I'll think about an appropriate sketch
> to encourage more considerate behaviour by those
> who have to drive.

the governments advise is quite clearly 'Stay at home'. That is the advise. They advise you to stay at home. You are 'allowed' to leave the house to do one form of exercise. They dont recommend that you leave the house once a day to exercise. They advise you to 'stay at home'. So if you are happy to take the governments advice, then stay at home.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by malumbu April 04, 07:01PM

Good heavens, if people are like this after two weeks what on earth will it be like after two months?

To remind you of the advice: [www.gov.uk]

You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household
any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person
travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by FineWhine April 04, 09:33PM

malumbu Wrote:
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> Good heavens, if people are like this after two
> weeks what on earth will it be like after two
> months?
>
> To remind you of the advice:
> [www.gov.uk]
> irus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/corona
> virus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
>
> You should only leave the house for very limited
> purposes:
>
> shopping for basic necessities, for example
> food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
> possible
> one form of exercise a day, for example a run,
> walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your
> household
> any medical need, including to donate blood,
> avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to
> provide care or to help a vulnerable person
> travelling for work purposes, but only where
> you cannot work from home


You seem surprised that people pay little or no attention to government requests? There seems to be SO many people around here that couldn't give a toss... but a few who do

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by natty01295 April 05, 12:36AM

* Wear a mask
* Gloves
* Uv light battery powered get on Ebay
* Sanitiser: if you can get it
* Don't travel on public transport only if you
have too
* and keep 2 metres apart
* look after each other



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messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by mako April 05, 12:03PM

malumbu Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Good heavens, if people are like this after two
> weeks what on earth will it be like after two
> months?
>
> To remind you of the advice:
> [www.gov.uk]
> irus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/corona
> virus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

You dont seem to understand the difference between advice and what is allowed. You are
>
> You should only leave the house for very limited
> purposes:
>
> shopping for basic necessities, for example
> food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
> possible
> one form of exercise a day, for example a run,
> walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your
> household
> any medical need, including to donate blood,
> avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to
> provide care or to help a vulnerable person
> travelling for work purposes, but only where
> you cannot work from home

You dont seem to understand the difference between advice and what is permitted. 'Thank you to everyone who is saving lives by staying at home this weekend.'(Johnson.) I repeat the advice here is stay at home and save lives. You are allowed out for essential exercise. You arent advised that you should go out and Hancock has basically said today that a ban is coming on all outdoor exercise because people either havent understood the message or are ignoring it. They are to blame for not being clear enough in message but some who are capable of understanding are choosing not to.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 05, 07:46PM

The right to take daily exercise is enshrined in law. Only Parliament could change it.

The BBC reports that at his daily CV press conference Hancock "raised the possibility of an extension of the lockdown" but dismissed it. He said the government is not looking at tightening the rules on exercising outdoors.

“What we are doing is being absolutely clear that the current rules must be followed,” he said.

He said the rules are designed to include exercise to protect people’s physical and mental wellbeing.

We can be grateful for that democratically provided protection and the thoughtfulness which, even in a crisis, considered the needs of all (he didn't say that last sentence, I did).

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by natty01295 April 05, 08:35PM

2 metres , keep your Distance

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 06, 07:07AM

Sally, what do you feel is the solution in terms of helping some members of society understand the importance of social distancing etc..or do you favour the herd immunity approach?

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by malumbu April 06, 11:02AM

This thread seems to have run its course. Sally, I and others will continue to cycle responsibly (and not together) as our daily exercise, whilst this is permitted. I'll continue to look to the positives, including how the majority of the country has responded, and expect the authorities to take soft and harder action to encourage others to behave themselves. I'll continue to be grateful that the same authorities have yet had to go down the way of France. There is a good thread for letting off steam at those not behaving themselves and/or encouraging greater isolation:

[www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]

Sadly BBC has stopped taking comments on relevant articles - these were wonderfully diverse, and at times highly offensive.

[www.bbc.co.uk];

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by first mate April 06, 11:39AM

I’m not sure how helpful it is to infer that views that do not completely concur with your own are somehow not really valid and amount to no more than ‘letting off steam’. Anyhow, so long as the majority continue to self-isolate and self-distance it is hoped we can end the current voluntary lockdown sooner rather than later.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 07, 11:28AM

In the new world of lockdown, some people are thinking of beginning to cycle. There are many reasons why a person might want to cycle for the first time. If that's you, post here or DM me. I shall not inquire into your personal reasons. I shall try and help you.

Key workers (guidance here [www.gov.uk] can get free cycle training from cycle confident [www.cycleconfident.com]

I belong to Southwark Cyclists who are the borough branch of the London Cycling Campaign. Our website is here [southwarkcyclists.org.uk]. Our email address is southwark@lcc.org.uk. If we can assist you, just let us know.



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messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by louisemurray April 07, 11:41AM

Keep up the good work Sally.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by RobSE15 April 07, 02:11PM

Thank you Sally for your excellent work!

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Treehugger2 April 07, 04:43PM

Good work, Sally, thank you.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 08, 08:24AM

Thank you my lovely ones. You've made an old woman very happy. Stay safe and look after yourselves (and other people)

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by AntP2015 April 08, 10:50AM

Just fixed my puncture and going to go out for a ride (to the shops and to do some exercise). I have seen more people closer than two metres in shops, on paths and in parks than on the road cycling. Just be nice and don't be a t*&t then we'll all be okay.

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by mako April 10, 11:32AM

Ant your line of thinking seems to be 'it doesnt matter if some cyclists kills people by spreading the virus as people in shops will kill more people'. Whilst there are so few food delivery slots poeple have to still visit the shop. The virus cant move by itself-people move the virus. A cyclist can therefore spread the virus over a great distance. It is harder for pedestrians to avoid passing cyclists. And this report suggest 2m for cyclists isnt the correct distance-20m is.
[medium.com]

messageRe: East Dulwich: new cyclists
Posted by Sally Eva April 10, 11:39AM

[www.bindmans.com]

The medical guidance on exercise during lockdown has changed (see above) this won't affect everyone but it will be very important for those it does.

It now says:

You can leave your home for medical need. If you (or a person in your care) have a specific health condition that requires you to leave the home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area - then you can do so. This could, for example, include where individuals with learning disabilities or autism require specific exercise in an open space two or three times each day - ideally in line with a care plan agreed with a medical professional.

Lambeth Mental Health and Learning Disabilities Team (based at SLAM) are providing letters supportive of medical need. I don't know if Southwark has an equivalent. Follows threat of legal action. Any doctor will do (or none)

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