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messageIgnoring lockdown in ED
Posted by lindylou April 24, 07:02PM

This afternoon I had to go to Lloyds pharmacy on North road Road to collect a prescription. I saw a police van on the corner parked across the road outside the pub opposite M&S. They were shifting people away who chose to sit and get some sun on the benches outside the pub. To be able to keep the 2 metres distance, anyone needing to pass would have been forced to walk in the road. I am now totally fed up with this selfish attitude.One of the selfish idiots walked up the road past the pharmacy and winged to all and sundry about how unfair it was as she was "only taking a rest" and she "didn't think police patrolled in East Dulwich".

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by bels123 April 24, 07:39PM

Yes there are suddenly significantly more cars on the road than the first few weeks of lockdown. Unfortunately lots are speeding dangerously, making it difficult and dangerous for people walking when they have to use the road to stay 2m apart. Shame too as many families had started cycling to do their daily exercise.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by siousxiesue April 24, 07:54PM

Maybe the benches should be taped off to make it impossible to use them?

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by DulwichFox April 24, 07:58PM

The East Dulwich Tavern have put their benches inside the pub.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by NewWave April 24, 08:13PM

bels123 Wrote:
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> Yes there are suddenly significantly more cars on
> the road than the first few weeks of lockdown.
> Unfortunately lots are speeding dangerously,
> making it difficult and dangerous for people
> walking when they have to use the road to stay 2m
> apart. Shame too as many families had started
> cycling to do their daily exercise.

Agree to above post

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by beck April 24, 08:35PM

Queuing outside M%S ( near E Dulwich station) today - the man behind me in the queue kept moving really close - eventually I said that the recommended distance was 2 metres and could he move back a bit - he then announced that the science says that the risk of catching Covid in the open air is virtually nil.

what can you say to someone with that attitude?

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by Sue April 24, 09:25PM

siousxiesue Wrote:
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> Maybe the benches should be taped off to make it
> impossible to use them?


The Dog in Dulwich Village has taped off its benches.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by lameduck April 24, 10:53PM

Lots of people just dont seem to care
treating it like a bloody holiday, I have been looking at worldometers
and wonder if we are all, keeping apart how come we having 4000 plus new cases every day,
I go out for a walk late at night, and avoid everybody like the plague.
It is obvious that I am a pensioner, and as a pensioner it is likley that I am vulnerable.
But people of all ages dont avoid me.
I was forced on to the road about 20 times walking around peckham rye by joggers, one night.
I have had 6 weeks at home now, have not been to a shop, quick walks late at night,
When are these jerks going to realise, the longer we mess about, the longer this will last, and more poor people are going to die

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by aloevera April 25, 12:01AM

lameduck Wrote:
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> Lots of people just dont seem to care
> treating it like a bloody holiday, I have been
> looking at worldometers
> and wonder if we are all, keeping apart how come
> we having 4000 plus new cases every day,
> I go out for a walk late at night, and avoid
> everybody like the plague.
> It is obvious that I am a pensioner, and as a
> pensioner it is likley that I am vulnerable.
> But people of all ages dont avoid me.
> I was forced on to the road about 20 times walking
> around peckham rye by joggers, one night.
> I have had 6 weeks at home now, have not been to a
> shop, quick walks late at night,
> When are these jerks going to realise, the longer
> we mess about, the longer this will last, and more
> poor people are going to die

"Lots of people just dont seem to care" has been my concern for a while and started the following thread:

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What worries me most, is that police in London don't seem to care either or maybe there is not enough police? I would like this situation to finish as soon as possible, but the only solution seems to be a "nanny police" like in other countries, because some adults behave like children...Sadly, I can't remember the last time I have seen a police van/car...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 25, 05:43am by aloevera.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by KidKruger April 25, 11:19AM

Boy racers on LL and Goose Green Road last night 2230, anyone see that ?!
4 or 5 souped-up hatchbacks racing overtaking reckless senseless not a care for anyone else around.
Using empty streets as race track.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by ED Bird April 25, 01:38PM

KidKruger Wrote:
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> Boy racers on LL and Goose Green Road last night
> 2230, anyone see that ?!
> 4 or 5 souped-up hatchbacks racing overtaking
> reckless senseless not a care for anyone else
> around.
> Using empty streets as race track.


I heard this loud & clear. It sounded incredibly dangerous.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by heartblock April 25, 02:03PM

Yes- came down EDG also

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by seenbeen April 25, 02:36PM

People are being silly either in denial or don't care. There are builders working next door to me from at least 5 different households yet last evening they were shaking hands wishing each other a good weekend.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by rch April 25, 03:15PM

It's intriguing watching two distinctive mindsets evolving in the community... one is very interactive, considerate and community spirited, but the other is extremely self-righteous.

I'm getting used to walking in the road more often to avoid cyclists, joggers, and electric scooters on the pavement. Other pedestrians are developing eye contact and hand signals to decide how we considerately pass each other while evading pavement issues.

There is a campaign to extend the pavement space into the road but, although it's useful in some locations, I suspect that this won't help in Lordship Lane as the problems will simply expand to fill the space. Ironically, I'm actually finding the parked cars very useful for jumping into the spaces to avoid the problems on the pavement.

I'm finding most car drivers to be extremely courteous (often stopping to let me pass in the road if they can see the pavement being blocked), but the speeding Boy Racers have been a problem in the past... it would be useful to report this issue to the police, noting specific times and registration numbers if possible, so that they can add Lordship and EDG to their Covid car patrols.

Our new local police team are being more proactive on foot, I've seen them patrolling Lordship several times, so more information about various activities and timings would be useful.

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Robin
Twitter: @ex_cllr_rch

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by Tipsyleprachauns April 25, 05:37PM

rch Wrote:
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> It's intriguing watching two distinctive mindsets
> evolving in the community... one is very
> interactive, considerate and community spirited,
> but the other is extremely self-righteous.
>
> I'm getting used to walking in the road more often
> to avoid cyclists, joggers, and electric scooters
> on the pavement. Other pedestrians are developing
> eye contact and hand signals to decide how we
> considerately pass each other while evading
> pavement issues.
>
> There is a campaign to extend the pavement space
> into the road but, although it's useful in some
> locations, I suspect that this won't help in
> Lordship Lane as the problems will simply expand
> to fill the space. Ironically, I'm actually
> finding the parked cars very useful for jumping
> into the spaces to avoid the problems on the
> pavement.
>
> I'm finding most car drivers to be extremely
> courteous (often stopping to let me pass in the
> road if they can see the pavement being blocked),
> but the speeding Boy Racers have been a problem in
> the past... it would be useful to report this
> issue to the police, noting specific times and
> registration numbers if possible, so that they can
> add Lordship and EDG to their Covid car patrols.
>
> Our new local police team are being more proactive
> on foot, I've seen them patrolling Lordship
> several times, so more information about various
> activities and timings would be useful.

Be that as it may, let's not go back down the bashing-joggers route. Since lock down, I've done my daily exercise by various means - jogging, cycling, walking, and some flat out sprinting training. I've encountered bad apples in all of these areas. Joggers paying no attention to anyone else, cyclists passing way too fast, and walkers (mostly families) blocking the entire pavement in lines of 4-5 people, or stopping to chat with Tarquin and Oscar from down the road.

One thing that has been absolutely consistent is the self-righteousness and moral high-ground of these families, blockings an entire pavement, perfectly aware of everyone else around them but caring none the less. I've also had two young children off their leashes crash into me on their bikes, and I've nearly crashed off my own bike a couple times as kids on scooters go haring this way and that paying no attention to anyone else. Their parents seemingly don't care.

I realise that may seem like it's singling out families. That's not the intention. I'm simply highlighting a point...

EVERY group of pavement/open space users has it's bad eggs. We're in this together and we have to learn to cope with this together without singling out individual groups, or discussing things like we have any more right to use of a space than someone undertaking a different activity.

No-one has more right to anything, save pedestrians using pavements.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by fishbiscuits April 25, 06:57PM

Yep. I go jogging at quiet times, and give everyone plenty of space. But most other people don't seem interested in keeping any sort of distance. Joggers oblivious to others, couples walking side by side not even moving over one inch. People sitting out front of their houses right next to the pavement. People sitting in the park together smoking. Bloody idiots everywhere.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by rch April 25, 07:10PM

Yes, I actually agree with you both... I have also experienced all of this, and some even more bizarre issues! I didn't mean to single out joggers and cyclists per se, they only create an immediate problem which needs an instantaneous reaction.

I guess that the point I'm trying to make is that these are behavioural issues, not logistical issues. So, I genuinely wonder if restricting parking and expanding the pavement space into the road (as Lambeth is doing) or even closing roads completely will solve this current problem?

I'm not sure what the solution is... so, I'm curious to hear other peoples' ideas, as I'm a full-time pedestrian and can't get anywhere (including to buy food) unless I walk... which is a nightmare.

But I also suspect that there is going to be a significant amount of antisocial behaviour once the lockdown measures are lifted...

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by fishbiscuits April 25, 09:25PM

Road closures sound appealing (I've not used my car at all this part month). But how do you deal with residents of closed streets, who might need to use their car?

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by goldilocks April 25, 10:18PM

The point with the closures is blocking some roads to access only- so emergency vehicles, deliveries, residents can still access but the through traffic canít- which should mean that there is much more safe space for non vehicle traffic during lockdown. Itís not pedestrianising, but instead making spaces safer. There is a marked increase in traffic today, I also heard cars racing round for around 30 mins or so last night but dangerous speeding isnít confined to nighttime. Our roads should be safer to use as there are fewer cars (although this number is creeping up) but theyíre not because speeds on them are increasing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was april 25, 11:41pm by goldilocks.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by Penguin68 April 26, 10:21AM

I'm not sure what the solution is... so, I'm curious to hear other peoples' ideas, as I'm a full-time pedestrian and can't get anywhere (including to buy food) unless I walk... which is a nightmare.

One simple solution to suburban pavement use would be to make pavements one-way - that is that progress along any one pavement would all be in the same direction (so no need to dodge out of the way of incoming traffic). If you always walked so that the houses were on your left that would achieve this - you would actually be walking on the same side of the street as cars drive - so for drivers this would come naturally. Only if you needed to overtake would you then have to move into the road to do so. More difficult to do on shopping streets, of course, where the location of the shop (that you need) is key - but you could cross the road when you need to, I suppose.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by intexasatthe moment April 26, 12:29PM

Genius idea Penguin .Think I'll adopt this approach myself .

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by Penguin68 April 26, 12:32PM

Genius idea Penguin .Think I'll adopt this approach myself .

I'm flattered, but I think it'll take a few more than just thee and me to work!

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by cidersioux April 26, 05:14PM

I have always said this for years... we drive on the left so walk on the left its easy and simple

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by keano77 April 26, 05:56PM

Ok, hereís an easy one.

You need to post some packages at the post office on Lordship Lane and want to pick up a few bits at the M&S foodhall. The packages are bulky and would be awkward to take shopping so better to post them first. How do I get to M&S when I leave the post office using the walk on the left system? (No Ubers allowed)

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by yeknomyeknom April 26, 06:03PM

Iím not suggesting itís a good idea, but how you would do it is - leave the PO turning left, down to the co op zebra crossing, then walk back up towards Superdrug and cross back over the zebra onto M&S.

keano77 Wrote:
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> Ok, hereís an easy one.
>
> You need to post some packages at the post office
> on Lordship Lane and want to pick up a few bits at
> the M&S foodhall. The packages are bulky and would
> be awkward to take shopping so better to post them
> first. How do I get to M&S when I leave the post
> office using the walk on the left system? (No
> Ubers allowed)

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by keano77 April 26, 07:47PM

Yes.

But then how would zebra crossings work? As I cross the road I can only turn right, as can the person crossing from the other side. So it would make sense to move to the right-hand side of the pavement and to cross zebra crossings on the right-hand side (with appropriate distancing on wider zebras) so people arenít getting in each otherís way in case they pass in front of each other.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by seenbeen April 26, 08:48PM

keano77 Wrote:
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> Ok, hereís an easy one.
>
> You need to post some packages at the post office
> on Lordship Lane and want to pick up a few bits at
> the M&S foodhall. The packages are bulky and would
> be awkward to take shopping so better to post them
> first. How do I get to M&S when I leave the post
> office using the walk on the left system? (No
> Ubers allowed)

That explains the queues everywhere- picking up a few bits...so if everyone is doing that every day then no wonder the queues are round the block...I have been getting one big shop for 4 people (2 vulnerables) once every 10 days.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by alice April 26, 08:52PM

The simple solution is to not go to lordship lane.
Alternatively pick one shop you cannot live without and approach it via its closest side road.

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by Plough Man April 26, 08:53PM

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> I'm not sure what the solution is... so, I'm
> curious to hear other peoples' ideas, as I'm a
> full-time pedestrian and can't get anywhere
> (including to buy food) unless I walk... which is
> a nightmare.
>
> One simple solution to suburban pavement use would
> be to make pavements one-way - that is that
> progress along any one pavement would all be in
> the same direction (so no need to dodge out of the
> way of incoming traffic). If you always walked so
> that the houses were on your left that would
> achieve this - you would actually be walking on
> the same side of the street as cars drive - so for
> drivers this would come naturally. Only if you
> needed to overtake would you then have to move
> into the road to do so. More difficult to do on
> shopping streets, of course, where the location of
> the shop (that you need) is key - but you could
> cross the road when you need to, I suppose.

I suggested this a couple of weeks ago...ÖÖ..

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Contacted James McCash about it also,

messageRe: Ignoring lockdown in ED
Posted by woodland April 27, 11:18AM

seenbeen Wrote:
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> keano77 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok, hereís an easy one.
> >
> > You need to post some packages at the post
> office
> > on Lordship Lane and want to pick up a few bits
> at
> > the M&S foodhall. The packages are bulky and
> would
> > be awkward to take shopping so better to post
> them
> > first. How do I get to M&S when I leave the
> post
> > office using the walk on the left system? (No
> > Ubers allowed)
>
> That explains the queues everywhere- picking up a
> few bits...so if everyone is doing that every day
> then no wonder the queues are round the block...I
> have been getting one big shop for 4 people (2
> vulnerables) once every 10 days.


Agreed - we go to one supermarket every 8 days with one visit to a very local corner shop for Milk top up a week. I have parcels I need to post, but I am going to wait until after the lockdown (they are ebay sales and the people who have bought them have been lovely about waiting). I realise that some people are still running businesses and need to use the post office, so staying away when it isn't urgent seem the best decision for me.

I suppose we each do what we think is the right thing. For me, that means being outside as little as possible and making as little contact with people outside our home.

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