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messageEast Dulwich CPZ
Posted by RubyGraeme May 12, 09:18AM

Can anyone tell us when the new controlled parking zone comes into effect? It was put on hold as lockdown began but it would be good to know when it may be ready to start.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by KidKruger May 12, 09:40AM

other threads on this with some history which you may care to look for and view.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by RubyGraeme May 12, 10:38AM

I know the history, it's buried in several threads. Just wanted a concise update from someone who may know. Thanks.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by AylwardS May 12, 11:17AM

No date has been mentioned that I know of. Keep an eye on this page on the Council website [www.southwark.gov.uk]. The postponement of the East Dulwich CPZ is mentioned.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by damzel September 08, 03:45PM

So the CPZ comes into force on Monday 14th Sept. I moved into the zone recently so missed the maps that show the different sub-zones and therefore where I can park with my permit. I can't find a map on the Southwark website - does anyone know where I can find one?

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Siduhe September 08, 05:55PM

damzel - pretty sure it is still as originally proposed - see page 4 here:

[moderngov.southwark.gov.uk]

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by damzel September 08, 06:21PM

Thanks - I assumeed it would be further sub-divided so that I would only be able to park in the immediate vicinity of my home. So with a permit, you can park anyone in the green zone?

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by northernmonkey September 08, 10:46PM

Thats not the case - there are 2 zones, Peckham west and east dulwich - grove vale is basically the divide - people on grove vale are eligible for permits in either I think but dont think interchangeable

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by eastdulwichhenry September 14, 11:07AM

So they made these zones 8:30am to 6:30pm did they? I thought the plan was for a shorter 2-hour zone to prevent commuters using the station, while not disrupting businesses which need cars to park for picking up heavy items etc.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by first mate September 14, 12:05PM

Indeed, they went the all day route indicating that a remedy for commuter parking was not the central issue, as we kept being told, instead the council probably wanted large scale parking displacement, creating pressure on other roads, leading to more CPZ.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 14, 01:06PM

Businesses can buy permits and there are not many located within the CPZ, Lordship Lane & nearly all surrounding side roads are still free for all parking.


eastdulwichhenry Wrote:
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> So they made these zones 8:30am to 6:30pm did
> they? I thought the plan was for a shorter 2-hour
> zone to prevent commuters using the station, while
> not disrupting businesses which need cars to park
> for picking up heavy items etc.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Abe_froeman September 14, 01:33PM

Lordship Lane & nearly all surrounding side roads are now chockablock with parking refugees from Melbourne Grove and West Peckham

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by worldwiser September 14, 02:33PM

People kept saying that apocalyptic predictions were overblown. And yet GG, EDR and LL are now at a near permanent standstill. I can't park within 5 streets of my house unless I do it at midnight, and the vicious hell the council saw fit to visit upon us people on the east side of LL has come to pass.
And just for good measure, they close Melbourne Gv. As if people there weren't rich enough they now get a council-sponsored quiet neighbourhood which should be good for 100k. After me, 'All in this together' 😀

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 15, 01:07PM

Lots of tickets issued today

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Rockets September 15, 02:20PM

roywj Wrote:
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> Lots of tickets issued today


I just walked along East Dulwich Grove towards Lordship Lane and every other car parked there has a ticket - bumper bonus day for the traffic wardens and council. Very little signage on the section of EDG in front of the old hospital to tell you it is permit only which might explain why so many people are falling foul of it.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by ED_moots September 15, 07:08PM

Someone I know spoke to wardens today and they're issuing warnings today (which look like tickets).

Small comfort.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 15, 09:32PM

That's fair, plenty of warning for those use to parking there and much better than getting a fine.


ED_moots Wrote:
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> Someone I know spoke to wardens today and they're
> issuing warnings today (which look like tickets).
>
> Small comfort.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by northernmonkey September 16, 09:00AM

Think its important that there are some warnings as this zone has been so long in being implemented. Sounds like the council are doing this and so people will have no excuse for not knowing - that and the fact there are signs up showing that the zone is in operation and what the hours are.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by judith September 16, 10:10AM

For any frustrated residents in East Dulwich who are disappointed that their street is NOT included in the new controlled parking zones, and who struggle to find a parking space near their home please let the council know here:
[forms.southwark.gov.uk]
If the link doesn't work, it's the Parking section: Request a Parking Zone Consultation. Thank you.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Abe_froeman September 16, 10:13AM

Can we request the removal of a parking zone to put things back to how they were? That would be far better.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 16, 01:23PM

I live in the new CPZ zone, neighbours and I are already very happy with the effect it has had. However I can understand people in other areas being unhappy with the knock on effect, we suffered the same here when neighbouring zones were introduced.


Abe_froeman Wrote:
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> Can we request the removal of a parking zone to
> put things back to how they were? That would be
> far better.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was september 16, 01:24pm by roywj.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by jimlad48 September 16, 02:45PM

roywj Wrote:
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> I live in the new CPZ zone, neighbours and I are
> already very happy with the effect it has had.
> However I can understand people in other areas
> being unhappy with the knock on effect, we
> suffered the same here when neighbouring zones
> were introduced.
>
>
> Abe_froeman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can we request the removal of a parking zone to
> > put things back to how they were? That would be
> > far better.

This is the inevitability of CPZs - they dislocate traffic and make you realise just how many people who aren't residents are parking in some areas. I suspect many areas that voted 'no' for a CPZ will soon rue the day this happened.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by first mate September 16, 03:55PM

Yes, but the commuter parking issue, arguably an inevitable and entirely forseeable side effect of choosing to live close to a train station, could have been mitigated by time limited CPZ, which could have meant those living by the station would have had a solution and other nearby streets would not have been made to suffer displacement to the same degree. However, this reasonable and even-handed option was rejected.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 16, 04:04PM

The train station is not the only source of parking, there are the schools and health centre nearby so the longer hours are much more suitable. Given that we would be paying the same price for either scheme I see it as a no-brainer having the longer coverage.


first mate Wrote:
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> Yes, but the commuter parking issue, arguably an
> inevitable and entirely forseeable side effect of
> choosing to live close to a train station, could
> have been mitigated by time limited CPZ, which
> could have meant those living by the station would
> have had a solution and other nearby streets would
> not have been made to suffer displacement to the
> same degree. However, this reasonable and
> even-handed option was rejected.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by first mate September 16, 04:39PM

Yes, well you might but it was always argued that commuter parking was the central issue, this could have been dealt with by the time limited option. Goodness, we had tales of commuter stalkers in cars harassing householders and all sorts. The health centre and schools were never mentioned. The all day CPZ has facilitated CPZ creep in a way that was never necessary.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Penguin68 September 16, 04:58PM

there are the schools and health centre nearby so the longer hours are much more suitable.

Yes, whatever we do, let's make sure none of the teaching or medical scum can park up close to serve our needs, let the b**gars walk, preferably crawl on their hands and knees to serve us. Or maybe they'll get work where they can 'commute' more easily. And not bother us with their so called expertise and 'caring'.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 16, 05:02PM

The health centre and schools were always included as an issue. I think some people have focused on Melbourne Grove but the CPZ covers a greater area than that.

CPZ creep is natural and we suffered even when surrounding areas only introduced 12-2, 11-1 etc. If you live around Lordship Lane then you can vote for two hour windows when you get the opportunity again.

There is also a big problem with people selling cars on the road, long term cars parked which never move, abandoned vehicles etc. The CPZ solves all of these issues as well.


first mate Wrote:
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> Yes, well you might but it was always argued that
> commuter parking was the central issue, this could
> have been dealt with by the time limited option.
> Goodness, we had tales of commuter stalkers in
> cars harassing householders and all sorts. The
> health centre and schools were never mentioned.
> The all day CPZ has facilitated CPZ creep in a way
> that was never necessary.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 16, 05:05PM

Bit over the top. Many of the schools around here have their own parking, good train stations local as mentioned, bus links or even get the coach with the pupils they will be teaching that day, which I understand come from all over London.


Penguin68 Wrote:
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> there are the schools and health centre nearby so
> the longer hours are much more suitable.
>
> Yes, whatever we do, let's make sure none of the
> teaching or medical scum can park up close to
> serve our needs, let the b**gars walk, preferably
> crawl on their hands and knees to serve us. Or
> maybe they'll get work where they can 'commute'
> more easily. And not bother us with their so
> called expertise and 'caring'.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was september 16, 05:08pm by roywj.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by Rockets September 16, 05:08PM

first mate Wrote:
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> Yes, well you might but it was always argued that
> commuter parking was the central issue, this could
> have been dealt with by the time limited option.
> Goodness, we had tales of commuter stalkers in
> cars harassing householders and all sorts. The
> health centre and schools were never mentioned.
> The all day CPZ has facilitated CPZ creep in a way
> that was never necessary.

Why they didn't go for the 2-hour window is beyond me - but then again we know what the real motivation for this is - another example of the council not listening to the constituents.

We will soon find out how much of the problem was commuter related because if those who were lobbying for it on the basis of commuters were right we will see huge swathes of empty spaces around the station.

I really worry about the impact on Lordship Lane as the combined factors of the creep from the CPZ and now the horrendous congestion caused by the closures will have a detrimental impact.

messageRe: East Dulwich CPZ
Posted by roywj September 16, 05:10PM

Yes often around 10 years to get another vote as I understand its an expensive process doing a consultation

jimlad48 Wrote:
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> roywj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I live in the new CPZ zone, neighbours and I
> are
> > already very happy with the effect it has had.
> > However I can understand people in other areas
> > being unhappy with the knock on effect, we
> > suffered the same here when neighbouring zones
> > were introduced.
> >
> >
> > Abe_froeman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Can we request the removal of a parking zone
> to
> > > put things back to how they were? That would
> be
> > > far better.
>
> This is the inevitability of CPZs - they dislocate
> traffic and make you realise just how many people
> who aren't residents are parking in some areas. I
> suspect many areas that voted 'no' for a CPZ will
> soon rue the day this happened.

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