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messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by first mate June 11, 07:14AM

Hi, I understand. I will only say that a folding bike is very easily stored and some take up very little room and can be assembled and packed down in a minute. I said in another post, they can be stored in a bag, which gets over the mud and dirt aspect.

It seems crazy to spend £5,000 public money on a hangar if, as seems now to be the case, they are so very easily broken into. Perhaps the council needs to look at a different model or work with the company on security.Since there is this issue I doubt insurance would cover theft from a hangar either.



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messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Sally Eva June 25, 01:26PM

Talk to your neighbours and your local councillors about your wish/need for a bike hangar. You should also put your request in by email to highways@southwark.gov.uk as they are supposed to maintain a list of interested people and prioritise installations based on demand.

In the autumn, you can apply directly for a hangar to be installed via the Cleaner Greener Safer fund.
[www.southwark.gov.uk]
This is where it is useful to attach a list of neighbours who would like to take up a space in a hangar and/or don't have a car so can 'offer' the space outside their house as suitable. There is a question asking you to show support for your idea - that can be that list of neighbours, and also if you can say 'I've spoken to Cllr xxx and they support the idea' that's useful too.

You can remind your councillors of the need to get pollution down, and how many people could cycle instead if they had a space for a bike... There's also a consultation that's just closed about community funds. You can see proposals, but can't add to them
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messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by first mate June 25, 01:28PM

Hi Sally,
Are these hangars now secure then?

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by maria June 25, 01:45PM

Some no have added security around the kick but if you have an angle grinder then you could get in!

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Sally Eva June 26, 04:23PM

Bike Parking can get quite obsessive. This is a webinar on bike parking mentioning most of the things we have discussed on this thread [mailchi.mp]

It's free and this is the general approach:

Quality cycle parking is key to enabling more people to cycle. A bike is an important asset, a key mode of transport, and cyclists need to know that their bikes are safe and secure. The objective of cycle network planning is to make sure that every cycle trip starts and ends with a safe place to park.
Insufficient cycle parking, lack of convenience, lack of space to store a cycle at home and cycle theft and vandalism are cited as key barriers for potential cyclists.

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by first mate June 26, 04:32PM

Indeed. Just query the wisdom of spending on hangars that are clearly not secure. I keep saying folders are a great option!

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Abe_froeman June 26, 04:50PM

Would £5000 cover the cost of a boris bike station instead?



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messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Sally Eva June 27, 09:04AM

first mate Wrote:
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> Indeed. Just query the wisdom of spending on
> hangars that are clearly not secure. I keep saying
> folders are a great option!

I found my folding bike much nicer than I expected and, as you say, it is amazingly useful to be able to take it on trains etc. Oddly, I find it hard to park and leave. And also hard to carry. I can't carry it far or easily. I'm not sure I could climb station steps with it. When I have tried to fold and leave it somewhere I have found it wedged into a corner from which it's hard to extricate it. So taking it into a theatre would probably be difficult and unpopular but leaving it outside problematic.

I've also got a non-folding bike and I tend to use that when I haven't got a rail-assisted journey, which might be a subliminal preference or might be just habit. This seems reasonably even-handed: [bicycle2work.com]

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by first mate June 27, 09:36AM

I certainly think for many older people carrying a folder is tricky but for young, fit people, perhaps more of whom might be flat dwellers, the folder is perfect for commuting and can be taken into the office or home. I have found it easy to take into most leisure facilities and, as you say, also great on public transport.

Agree, no good to leave chained as easily stolen, but then that seems to be the case with many half decent bikes and I donít think we should invest public money in storage unless we are very confident they are secure. It is not as though the council has loads of dosh to spare. I would personally prefer to see that money spent on mending dangerous, uneven pavements and pot holes in roads.

Finally, it seems no money has been spent on social distancing by foot- a much more urgent consideration right now.

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Abe_froeman June 29, 09:30AM

It's too late to spend money on social distancing now. Lockdown has been and gone.

It seems a bit dim though that the council would spend thousands of pounds on these storage facilities for a privileged few and then claim there is no cash left to help finance the bike hire stations that every other zone 2 borough in London seems to benefit from/.

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by exdulwicher June 29, 10:28AM

Quote:
Would £5000 cover the cost of a boris bike station instead?

The system is owned by TfL (although obviously with engagement with councils) and a lot of the direct day-to-day management (maintenance and re-location of bikes for example) is outsourced to Serco.

Depending on location, installation requirements etc, it's about £200,000 to install a docking station.

There's also the need to consider the overall network. Fairly pointless installing a single docking station in (say) Dulwich Village - you'd want a couple in Dulwich Park (say one at Court Lane entrance, one at College Road entrance), one in the village, one up by Dulwich Library, three or four down the length of Lordship Lane, one each at ND and ED stations....

And then they'd need to link up with the next available docking points which are Brixton / Stockwell and up the Walworth Road, all of which are a reasonable distance away. So you'd probably need some "linking" docking points in Herne Hill, southern Camberwell / Denmark Hill and so on to tie it into the remaining network.

messageRe: Bike shed/hangar in Lordship Lane - looking for people to apply with me.
Posted by Abe_froeman June 29, 04:24PM

So the same price as the raise table at the end of north cross road and not much more than the new road closures.

They should do it.

They put one outside the council offices on Tooley St. They should put some in here.

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