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messageTraffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Monkey June 07, 09:05AM

I read in the Goodrich School newsletter that a new traffic barrier is going to be installed at the junction of Goodrich Road and Upland Road. Iíd not heard anything about it from Southwark. Anyone knows anything about it?

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Spartacus June 07, 09:10AM


messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Monkey June 07, 10:03AM

Thank you, Spartacus.

I donít really understand how this will sort out any of local traffic problems. All it means is that parents driving their children to school will be reversing (using residentsí dropped kerbs) to avoid a long loop. This will make a dangerous situation even more dangerous.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Nigello June 07, 03:34PM

Itís at Upland and Dunstanís. Itís narrowed to about 2m just before the Dunstanís junction. Huge lorries try to squeeze through, having been sent there by GPS, no doubt. The ďschool runĒ accounts for lots of traffic (and choice language). I think being shut at one end is better. Otherwise, how to let residents park? Iíve written to say as such.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Rockets June 07, 03:46PM

Are they proposing NAL blocks at each end of the road? If so, where do the residents within that section park?

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Nigello June 07, 03:55PM

Yes, NAL either end, so I questioned this. Dale F said my comments would be passed on to the correct people. It says this section will be for cyclists and pedestrians which seems to exclude and vehicular presence. I think a cul-de-sac would be fairer but the council has the power to do as it likes. NAL blocks look ugly; Iíd prefer a planter or barrier with key access for those parking.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Rockets June 07, 04:03PM

Canít imagine the residents will be best pleased if they go ahead with blocks at each end.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Monkey June 07, 05:40PM

I hadnít realised itíd be blocked at both ends. How will emergency services get access?

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Roky Erickson June 07, 06:07PM

Am I right in thinking that this is currently just a proposal, rather than something definitely being implemented ?

Even the councillorís own comments on the proposal suggest that they donít think it will be effective.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Nigello June 07, 06:35PM

I think comments from councillors, etc. are welcomed but the decision is taken by council officials under special powers. This plan says an official visited on 13/05 and decided there was a need for action. The link in the second posting allows you to see this and other plans and thereís an email address for the person in charge.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by EDAus June 07, 07:09PM

This is very interesting Goodrich is used as a summer school by Nimble Arts, this will create issues for many parents who need to do multiple childcare picks up. In the summer holidays we have to drive or we would not make the double pick up with our chidlren.



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messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by goldilocks June 07, 09:13PM

EDAus - Have you considered cycling or scooting to Nimble Arts if you're using it?

You'd be amazed how quickly you can get over there like that - plus a bit of fresh air / exercise does wonders for the kids! We've been scooting or cycling for the past couple of years. there is some bike parking inside the gate too to keep it relatively secure!

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by EDAus June 07, 10:38PM

goldilocks Wrote:
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> EDAus - Have you considered cycling or scooting to
> Nimble Arts if you're using it?
>
> You'd be amazed how quickly you can get over
> there like that - plus a bit of fresh air /
> exercise does wonders for the kids! We've been
> scooting or cycling for the past couple of years.
> there is some bike parking inside the gate too to
> keep it relatively secure!


Yes thank you we have considered cycling or scooting - as I said right above given the location of our child care providers plus multiple pick upís plus the opening / closing times of our childcare providers make it simply not possible for us.

In case you wondering, yes we have also considered one of us giving up our jobs so we can cycle and scoot through the streets but we also like being independent people and role models for our children plus sorry we have to work to support them.

I wish people would recognise just because something works for your family or situation it may not work for others for a wide range of issues such as disabilities, the age of young children, childcare opening times etc.



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messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by goldilocks June 07, 11:00PM

I'm sorry, I hadn't realised you had disabilities. You could consider checking in with Wheels for Wellbeing. They might have helpful suggestions.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by first mate June 07, 11:45PM

I donít think that is what EDAus wrote, or implied. But if he were or is disabled I am shocked you would, without any knowledge of his circumstances, be directing/pressuring him on his chosen mode of transport. It comes across as high-handed and insensitive.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by tas June 08, 07:49AM

EDAus Wrote:
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> This is very interesting Goodrich is used as a
> summer school by Nimble Arts, this will create
> issues for many parents who need to do multiple
> childcare picks up. In the summer holidays we have
> to drive or we would not make the double pick up
> with our chidlren.

You will realise then that Upland Road and Dunstans Road run either side of Goodrich School, and will not be affected by this closure. These roads join to the south of the school, and with Underhill Road to the north - I cannot think of a single car journey through the area that would be increased by more than 1 minute as a result of this closure.



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messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by goldilocks June 08, 08:10AM

Of course I wasn't....

As above - the entrances to Goodrich school are actually on Dunstans road for Nimble arts - something EDAus will be aware of.

Therefore, they will be a) able to park on Dunstans Road and b) perfectly capable of walking round the corner if a parking spot isn't immediately available and so the 'issues' faced by people needing to drive are hugely overstated!



first mate Wrote:
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> I donít think that is what EDAus wrote, or
> implied. But if he were or is disabled I am
> shocked you would, without any knowledge of his
> circumstances, be directing/pressuring him on his
> chosen mode of transport. It comes across as
> high-handed and insensitive.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Roky Erickson June 08, 08:26AM

But what about the additional through-traffic, which was previously going across Goodrich Road, and which will now be forced to go down either of these 2 roads unnecessarily ?


tas Wrote:
>
> You will realise then that Upland Road and
> Dunstans Road run either side of Goodrich School,
> and will not be affected by this closure. These
> roads join to the south of the school, and with
> Underhill Road to the north - I cannot think of a
> single car journey through the area that would be
> increased by more than 1 minute as a result of
> this closure.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by first mate June 08, 08:28AM

It goes without saying that if he were disabled, it may not be so easy for him to simply Ďwalkí around the corner and the needs of all drivers are therefore not, as you insist, over-stated.

Please, try to see the light and shade. If people can cycle they probably will, but not everyone can. Try to accept that.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by EDAus June 08, 09:39AM

Tas -

Yes I am aware, one side is kept closed for safeguarding purposes. One entrance and one exit.

'I cannot think of a single car journey through the area that would be increased by more than 1 minute as a result of this closure.'

Others might be able to think of some and have a right to raise their concerns.

Goldilocks -

Car spaces will not always be available at peak drop off and pick up times, which is understandable these are local residential streets.

'perfectly capable of walking round the corner' Ė

1) You have assumed.
2) Walking is not cycling or scooting which is what was being discussed.

I am not prepared to discuss on an open forum why people in my family cannot safely cycle or scoot, they may wish too but it is simply not possible or safe. It could a wide range of reasons: age, disability, medical guidance etc.

Ďpeople needing to drive are hugely overstated!í In your view.

What is fair and reasonable to one person may not be fair or reasonable to another.

Not everyone has empathy, understanding and kindness towards others.

It would be helpful for people to reflect and check their privilege before posting.

I will not responding to any further comments on this thread as I feel it will not be productive.

If you have concerns with any of the proposals email the following people:

richard.livingstone@southwark.gov.uk

dale.foden@southwark.gov.uk

helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk - our local member of parliament

Florence.Eshalomi@london.gov.uk - our London Assembly member

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by tas June 08, 09:51AM

If there is enough through-traffic in the area for that to genuinely be an issue, it definitely shouldnít be going past a primary school.


Roky Erickson Wrote:
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> But what about the additional through-traffic,
> which was previously going across Goodrich Road,
> and which will now be forced to go down either of
> these 2 roads unnecessarily ?
>



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messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by first mate June 08, 10:42AM

Well the new Charter school and Medical centres, as well as Harris primary, are right next to main roads that can expect increased traffic and pollution as a result of these measures.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by goodgirlbadhair June 08, 01:29PM

I will be fighting the closure of Goodrich Road on both ends as I am one of the houses affected with a highly vulnerable husband who needs weekly services and deliveries. This is a sledge hammer to crack a nut. How are the residents supposed to access emergency services, deliveries, building maintenance, etc?

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Rockets June 08, 02:01PM

Goodgirlbadhair - what communication have you had from the council - are they really expecting you to park elsewhere?

One would have thought that the council would have considered the residents on the street.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by first mate June 08, 02:33PM

Goodgirlbadhair, this is appalling I hope that you might receive the support of your neighbours in mounting a challenge. You could also approach James McAsh who should be sympathetic and keen to help. It seems clear that your very present and pressing needs have not been considered at all.

Did the council person who allegedly visited and checked the street in May make contact with you?

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by tas June 08, 04:36PM

I wonder why Southwark have gone for the full closure rather than a school street, as they have for other schools in the borough. That would allow residentsí access at all times, whilst cutting out other traffic when the kids are about.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Nigello June 08, 04:44PM

Itís odd. Iíve written to Helen Hayes, Cllr Browning and the head of highways explaining itís better to have a cul-de-sac. The addresses are further up this chain. The officer came to assess on 13 May and as far as I know S/he didnít consult anyone. Measures are needed but not this. Put up a barrier but give all householders a key.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Roky Erickson June 08, 04:44PM

I've written to Southwark Council today to complain. I live on Upland Road, and it's shocking to me that they're proposing to implement something like this without making any attempt to inform, let alone consult local residents.


tas Wrote:
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> I wonder why Southwark have gone for the full
> closure rather than a school street, as they have
> for other schools in the borough. That would allow
> residentsí access at all times, whilst cutting out
> other traffic when the kids are about.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by first mate June 08, 05:30PM

Actually, now you mention it, the proposed Tell Grove barrier on MG may become a parent drop off point for Charter. They are removing parking and putting double yellow lines in the run up to allow cars that try to use it as a cut through space to effect a three point turn and go back. Who knows how these things can turn out.

messageRe: Traffic barrier - Goodrich Road
Posted by Pugwash June 08, 06:19PM

As far as I recall from the Healthy Streets meeting held earlier in the year (or was it late last year?)at Christ Church, the barrier would only be in operation at the beginning and end of school day. Check with Cllrs Browning and Hartley.

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