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closed threadMelbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Rockets September 04, 03:22PM

Closing this one, the message has been made, and there's plenty of similar threads - Admin

One of the shopkeepers on Melbourne Grove has set-up a petition against the road closures around their shop.

The link is below for those interested.

[www.change.org]

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by tiddles September 04, 03:25PM

signed

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by mockingbird September 04, 04:44PM

I will sign but perhaps a mirror E-petition can also be replicated on Southwark's own petition site at
[moderngov.southwark.gov.uk]

Petition scheme
A petition is a statement about a local issue, supported by the signatures of local residents or those directly affected. A member of the public or a councillor can present a petition at a local community council meeting, the cabinet, to other council committees or council assembly.
All petitions sent or presented to the council will receive an acknowledgement from the council within 10 clear working days of receipt.

So what is within 10 days? The Southwark AGM! Need to get signatures going quickly over the weekend though
[moderngov.southwark.gov.uk]

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by rahrahrah September 04, 04:49PM

I'm fairly sure that businesses on Melbourne Grove will do better without the traffic.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by alice September 04, 05:13PM

Your comment is a bit like your photos.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Cyclemonkey September 04, 05:28PM

Do a lot of people drive to Melbourne Grove to visit the shops there? I would assume most people walk.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Rockets September 04, 07:18PM

Cyclemonkey Wrote:
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> Do a lot of people drive to Melbourne Grove to
> visit the shops there? I would assume most people
> walk.

Well by the tone of the petition set up by the owner of Therapy on Melbourne Grove one suspects not. What you have to realise is that the businesses on Melbourne Grove are not high footfall businesses - their catchment area for customers tends to be much wider and so they rely on people travelling from across the area. Notice how along Melbourne Grove there have always been parking bays that allow, if I am not mistaken 30 minutes or one hour parking outside the shops - which suggests at some point the council acknowledged that these businesses needed parking spaces for their customers. Which, of course, would suggest that many of their customers use cars to get there.

Perhaps pop down to Melbourne Grove and ask some of them?

Rahrahrah - what makes you think the businesses will do better - and please do not quote that flawed council stat that people spend 40% more when they walk or cycle propaganda the council amplified during the CPZ consultation? Melbourne Grove has always been a bit of an outlier for shops in the area due to the lack of footfall so I can't see how this is going to help them.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by n dulwich northerner September 04, 08:08PM

The congestion caused on E Dulwich Grove may deter whatever car-using customers approach from that direction, maybe stopping en route to/from Sainsburys. Meanwhile any car-using customers approaching from Dog Kennel Hill or Grove Vale have nowhere to park. There aren't many shops anyway, so they can just get on their bikes and find other jobs (irony).

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo September 04, 08:39PM

are there cameras? or are there enforcement officers?

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Posted by ED Light September 04, 09:11PM

I went down Melbourne today and was really surprised they’d double yellowed the short-duration parking bays close to the grove vale junction. Why? All they were there for was to help parking / custom for the local businesses. Bizarre.

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Posted by n dulwich northerner September 04, 09:43PM

Or just logical? No point having those parking spaces because no-one's going to drive down there from ED Grove.

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Posted by dulwichfolk September 04, 10:32PM

Maybe to help car/refuse trucks to turn around?

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by dougiefreeman September 05, 01:47AM

I just submitted a petition to the southwark council website - will post here once approved

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Spartacus September 06, 06:35PM

How's this going ?

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by FairTgirl September 06, 07:29PM

Thank you so much for doing this. I am the owner of Fashion-Conscience store on the corner of Grove vale and Melbourne Grove and just posted about how locals can support our petition and the various reason why they should.

There are is so much more to this than whether our customers come via cars or not, which I can confirm they do, especially elderly or ill who are not able to walk, yes who come from further afield, people who currently are still fearful of using public transport with Covid and the obvious fact that if people drive past you they think of you when booking an appointment.

There is not only the businesses livelihoods at stake but the very high risk of increased traffic and thus pollution on ED Grove and Grove Vale as all cars will need to use these routes, the social injustice of why people living on the closed roads should be allowed to push pollution onto other residents and business and schools, and the manner in which Southwark has been able to do this with NO consulation or any data gathering or monitoring under a very dubious Covid social distancing premise.

I urge you to support our petition if you can. There are peoples livelihoods and health at stake.
Please Follow us on twitter @GroveReopen and please retweet our tweets to any local journalists

Southwark petition
[moderngov.southwark.gov.uk]

Petition
[www.change.org] sign the petition.

You can also voice your views here
Streetspace East Dulwich : [eastdulwichstreetspace.commonplace.is]

Email your councillors below;

catherine.rose@southwark.gov.uk - councillor now in charge of roads
Radha.burgess@southwark.gov.uk - new role Deputy Chair for Southwark Low Traffic
James.mcash@southwark.gov.uk
Victoria.olisa@southwark.gov.uk
Charlie.smith@southwark.gov.uk
Rachel.gates@southwark.gov.uk

and
Highways@southwark.gov.uk
Community.engagement@southwark.gov.uk



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closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by northernmonkey September 06, 08:11PM

I assume that those of you pushing this petition will also support me in my bid to have the following roads re-opened, as without these closures my assertion is that the traffic will flow much more freely around the local area:

Oglander Road: (remove paved area at Grove Vale end to allow a straight cut through up to Bellenden Road and beyond), Ondine Road : remove one way section- benefit as above
Coppleston Road: Make 2 way throughout
Bellenden Road: make 2 way throughout
Oakhurst Grove: remove bollards near junction with Kelmore Grove - to allow access through from East Dulwich Road and remove pressure from the Peckham Rye junction.
Milo Road- remove barriers to allow easy access from Lordship Lane through to the village
Friern Road- remove barriers to allow for alternative to getting stuck down the side of Peckham Rye.

I feel sure that if all these closures were reopened then the gridlock in the area would disappear.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by betternowthanthen September 06, 08:29PM

I assume that those of you pushing this petition will also support me in my bid to have the following roads re-opened, as without these closures my assertion is that the traffic will flow much more freely around the local area:

Oglander Road: (remove paved area at Grove Vale end to allow a straight cut through up to Bellenden Road and beyond), Ondine Road : remove one way section- benefit as above
Coppleston Road: Make 2 way throughout
Bellenden Road: make 2 way throughout
Oakhurst Grove: remove bollards near junction with Kelmore Grove - to allow access through from East Dulwich Road and remove pressure from the Peckham Rye junction.
Milo Road- remove barriers to allow easy access from Lordship Lane through to the village
Friern Road- remove barriers to allow for alternative to getting stuck down the side of Peckham Rye.

I feel sure that if all these closures were reopened then the gridlock in the area would disappear.

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Yes I would support you, and same for getting rid of Champion Hill one way system, Please let me know!

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by macutd September 06, 08:44PM

if they put the barriers half way down the road. And got rid of the new double yellow lines. Maybe more people would use the shops

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Posted by Abe_froeman September 07, 01:05PM

I would also support the reopening of those closed roads, but fear hat at this moment the council would use that campaing as a dilution of the message that these recent closures are utterly ill conceived and totally inappropriate.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by dulwichfolk September 07, 01:09PM

Might be issues with refuse trucks with any closures in the middle of the road.

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Posted by march46 September 07, 10:19PM

dulwichfolk Wrote:
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> Might be issues with refuse trucks with any
> closures in the middle of the road.

Might be an issue with the middle of the road being a school entrance...reversing vehicles and children don't mix too well.

It's a shame an 'eco' shop is objecting to this so soon. It's less than a week since the planters were installed, Week 1 is too soon to make a rational assessment on the actual impact - the 'it will kill our business' talk is fear, fear of change (totally understandable given the tough trading climate). Give it time. Anyone driving to these shops still can.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by FairTgirl September 08, 12:10PM

I would like to reiterate the below for those of you who agree that people should be consulted on these matters first.

Please sign our online petition, and email your local councillors to express your views. You can also express your views on the specific road closures via an app I have copied in below.

Please show us your support if you can. There are peoples livelihoods and health at stake.
Please Follow us on twitter @GroveReopen and please retweet our tweets to any local journalists


Petition
[chng.it] to sign the petition.

You can also voice your views here
Streetspace East Dulwich : [eastdulwichstreetspace.commonplace.is]

Email your councillors below;

Richard.livingstone@southwark.gov.uk
James.mcash@southwark.gov.uk
Victoria.olisa@southwark.gov.uk
Charlie.smith@southwark.gov.uk
Rachel.gates@southwark.gov.uk

and
Highways@southwark.gov.uk
Community.engagement@southwark.gov.uk

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by stecoward101 September 13, 12:19PM

Why can people not understand that access to Melbourne Grove is still available they (Local Authority) have simply blocked one way to stop it being a rat run. I think people are making things up to suit their arguments. It is disgraceful.



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closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by JonnoJ September 13, 12:56PM

Would people who want the street open for the sake of businesses, like their own street used as a rat run?
If you think about the wider picture, we need less car use in order to reduce the catastrophic consequences of global warming. This is a move towards reducing car use across the borough which is better for all of us. Less pollution and traffic.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by stecoward101 September 13, 02:23PM

Question: How are the small number of businesses located at the bottom of Melbourne Grove affected by the road closure. Their customers can still access their stores by using the other entrance to the street. Are they saying customers zooming down the street at 30 mph (it is a 20 mph zone) suddenly think I have to pull over I need some 2nd hand clothes or are doing an emergency stop because they need a facial (which I am guessing would require an appointment).

TBH I could see the coffee shop not wanting it closed but the rest of it is @rse.

Not sure why I am wasting my life on a sunny Sunday putting up this post so I will stop.



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closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Charles Notice September 13, 04:22PM

Good call.

Sit in the sun and bask in the fact that because of these local closures on your street your house value has probably gone up.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by Frankito September 13, 04:34PM

Without a doubt the smartest line you have written to date....! Who has ever cared about how you feel..??


stecoward101 Wrote:
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>
> Not sure why I am wasting my life on a sunny
> Sunday putting up this post so I will stop.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by macutd September 13, 04:41PM

it's not a "rat run" it's just a street in East Dulwich that enables people to get about without having to clog up the roads that are left in a dangerous and polluting way.




stecoward101 Wrote:
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> Why can people not understand that access to
> Melbourne Grove is still available they (Local
> Authority) have simply blocked one way to stop it
> being a rat run. I think people are making things
> up to suit their arguments. It is disgraceful.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by FairTgirl September 13, 04:55PM

It's worth mentioning that every retail business on Melbourne Grove is a small independant (max 2 outlets in the case of the hairdressers), owner run by people living in the community, employing people in the community.

Not only has the road closure already affected footfall - not all appointments are booked as they allow for walk-in's and these are down resulting in staff having to be sent home on occasion - they also lost at least 1/3 of parking spaces at the same time as the road closure AND the school intends to close the road in a different position which will prevent traffic for periods from the other end of Melbourne Grove.

Yet none of the businesses have had any communication from the council on any of this. It's a shame that there is not more understanding given the businesses have only recently reopoened after lockdown and are trying to get on an even keel.

On a sunny beautiful afternoon when people are out and about it is easy to forget that if the road closure stays as is it will be across winter when we experience the worst of British weather, dark afternoons and wet cold weather when people are least likely to opt for cycling and walking which could have a huge impact on the key Christmas trading period.

It is obvious why they are worried and frustrated given that so far they have had no say in what has happened, how, when or where *before* it has happened.

A suck it and see approach when people's livelihoods are involved is simply not good enough.

closed threadRe: Melbourne grove shopkeeper set-up petition against road closures
Posted by EDguy89 September 13, 04:56PM

macutd Wrote:
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> it's not a "rat run" it's just a street in East
> Dulwich that enables people to get about without
> having to clog up the roads that are left in a
> dangerous and polluting way.

It absolutely was a rat run. I've been living on the southern side of Melbourne Grove since 2016 and it was used constantly as a way for people to bypass LL.

Often times people would speed by simply because they could. The difference in the amount of traffic on this end has been like day and night.

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