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messagepossible congetsion charge extension
Posted by Chrishesketh October 16, 04:06PM

Has anyone else heard that they want to extend the congestion charge to the north and south circular.

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Posted by KidKruger October 16, 04:10PM

Yes, it's been discussed on here on and off the best part of a couple of years.
Gonna be fun seeing approx 2million vehicles get fined.

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Posted by exdulwicher October 16, 04:14PM

It'll come sooner or later anyway but this is just Government sabre rattling at the moment and playing politics: Conservative Government vs Labour Mayor.

Won't happen now not least because it would take months of planning, installation and implementation and would cost millions.

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Posted by JohnL October 16, 04:29PM

Yes - its said to be part of the latest TFL bailout conditions imposed by central Government on TFL.

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Posted by Dogkennelhillbilly October 16, 05:55PM

Typical anti-car eco-extremism from the... ... Tory Brexit Party. Glad to see that drivers' rights are being stood up for by...Sadiq Khan.

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Posted by Penguin68 October 16, 06:04PM

Interestingly, if we are to have a daily congestion charge imposed on us willy-nilly if we live within the North and South Circular (and keep our cars there, and why wouldn't we) and if we are to have our travel concessions removed, and if we are to live in an area so poorly served by public transport, hilly and far from town - well I suspect I will be using my car (as a pensioner) a great deal more than previously, when I tried to use public transport a lot. If it costs me no more (other than petrol) to get to a station than it does to get to Central London - then I will be driving. At my age and vulnerability sitting in my own car, even in a jam, will take no longer, and be a lot safer, than travelling with the mask-less public (today I estimated between 2% and 5% of passengers had no mask, or didn't think noses counted).

If you need a car at all, and I do, then you may as well make full use of it, if you are to be charged for using it at all. Why would you do anything else?

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Posted by KidKruger October 16, 08:43PM

Thing is, how is it OK for a Govt to specify that people should buy diesel cars (because they're / were seen as better for the envt) then tell them their cars will now incur a daily penalty for just parking, as they always have, on their own street.
If half of London has bought cars the Govt advised them to, it's not OK to suddenly change course and tell those people who followed the guidelines they're now wrong. While somehow spectacularly making £millions in penalising those car owners.
This doesn't instil (as if any were possible these days..) much trust in the Govt.

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Posted by Dogkennelhillbilly October 16, 09:22PM

1) this isn't supposed to be a policy that makes sense. It's supposed to be a policy that screws over Sadiq Khan and doesn't cost anything.

2) the government didn't specify that people should buy diesel cars

3) the science around diesel has changed since the diesel boom of the 2000s. Non-diesel technologies have got better and cheaper.

4) the congestion charge is the same for normal hybrid, petrol and diesel cars. In a couple of years there will be no discounts for ultra efficient hybrids.

5) when the congestion charge was introduced and then expanded - people who'd parked for free had to pay. That's how the congestion charge works!

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Posted by NewWave October 16, 10:22PM

Penguin68 Wrote:
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> Interestingly, if we are to have a daily
> congestion charge imposed on us willy-nilly if we
> live within the North and South Circular (and keep
> our cars there, and why wouldn't we) and if we are
> to have our travel concessions removed, and if we
> are to live in an area so poorly served by public
> transport, hilly and far from town - well I
> suspect I will be using my car (as a pensioner) a
> great deal more than previously, when I tried to
> use public transport a lot. If it costs me no more
> (other than petrol) to get to a station than it
> does to get to Central London - then I will be
> driving. At my age and vulnerability sitting in my
> own car, even in a jam, will take no longer, and
> be a lot safer, than travelling with the mask-less
> public (today I estimated between 2% and 5% of
> passengers had no mask, or didn't think noses
> counted).
>
> If you need a car at all, and I do, then you may
> as well make full use of it, if you are to be
> charged for using it at all. Why would you do
> anything else?

Totally agree 100%!

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Posted by ali2007 October 17, 09:10AM

Has anyone else noticed that the current congestion charge zone omits some of the wealthiest areas in london - Chelsea, Knightsbridge etc. Does anyone know if the new proposals now include those neighbourhoods?

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Posted by Sally Eva October 17, 09:23AM

Those areas were excluded by Boris Johnson when he was mayor (it was one of his campaign promises)

They would be included in the government-proposed extension to the north and south circulars. Boris Johnson is PM.

My guess would be that some wise guy sees it as a way to

a) raise lots of money and come closer to pollution targets

b) blame their political opponents



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was october 17, 09:23am by Sally Eva.

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Posted by Dogkennelhillbilly October 17, 10:17AM

Kensington and Chelsea also have some of the worst air, worst congestion and highest car use in the whole of London.

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Posted by Sally Eva October 18, 08:16AM

Re de-funding the freedom passes. I don't entirely understand what's being suggested here.

These are funded by local councils.

There is a TfL pass for over 60s which runs to pension age. Maybe that's what's being threatened?

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Posted by Pugwash October 18, 10:18AM

In some local areas, pensioners paid an annual fee of around £25 to get their free travel pass. My father who lived in Sussex did this when his eyesight failed and he could not drive. He lived in a village which was 8 miles to nearest town and in the late 90s/early 2000s, the return fare was £9 by bus which ran every half hour.
Not sure what the procedure is now that Freedom passes can be used all over UK.

Not sure about removing free travel for under 18s- we had to get a weekly bus pass for our girls when they went to secondary school. The argument for removing it would be to stop youngsters hopping on bus for a couple of stops.

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Posted by Sally Eva October 18, 11:09AM

OTOH the bus pass for teenagers means they can always get home, no matter where or what they have got themselves into

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Posted by Nigello October 18, 12:16PM

I think it would be reasonable to charge most Freedom pass holders a small amount each year if the alternative is having no free pass. £20-30? Those on pension credit or who have another marker for reduced means wouldn’t pay. Likewise, how about a £10-15 charge for young people, waived if parents are in receipt of certain amount of benefits. It’d be better if it were not chargeable but times are harder than usual.

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Posted by first mate October 18, 12:33PM

You are charged £10 annually for the over 60 pass.

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Posted by Sally Eva October 18, 12:55PM

That's new (ish). I didn't pay for mine.

The costs will be rising as the OAP age rises because the over-60s pass fills the gap until the oap Freedom pass.

The trouble with means-testing is that it can be more expensive than not ie the admin associated with the means test out weighs any saving.

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Posted by first mate October 18, 01:02PM

You have to pay a tenner each year to prove your address before pass is renewed.

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Posted by seenbeen October 18, 02:35PM

Pugwash Wrote:
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> In some local areas, pensioners paid an annual fee
> of around £25 to get their free travel pass. My
> father who lived in Sussex did this when his
> eyesight failed and he could not drive. He lived
> in a village which was 8 miles to nearest town and
> in the late 90s/early 2000s, the return fare was
> £9 by bus which ran every half hour.
> Not sure what the procedure is now that Freedom
> passes can be used all over UK.
>
> Not sure about removing free travel for under 18s-
> we had to get a weekly bus pass for our girls when
> they went to secondary school. The argument for
> removing it would be to stop youngsters hopping on
> bus for a couple of stops.

Paying for bus fares also encourages people to look closer to home for a school so that their child/teen can walk

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Posted by Penguin68 October 18, 03:31PM

Paying for bus fares also encourages people to look closer to home for a school so that their child/teen can walk

Well, absolutely, convenience and the cost of a bus fare trumps the schools facilities, teaching quality, 'fit' with your children's needs and reputation any time! At least it means the employed middle class can afford to send their children to the best state schools, regardless of the bus fares. Which is only right.

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Posted by ctovey Yesterday, 06:22PM

Its not always possible for a child to go to school within walking distance of home. My grand daughter was turned down for all the primary schools close to her home. If her parents hadn't been able to drive her to the school she was eventually allocated, it would have meant a two bus journey of nearly an hour each way.


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