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messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Alan Medic 26 August, 2011 10:13

Chener Books Wrote:
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> > I'd be surprised as the pavement has been a
> right of way for years now.
>
> A surprise does not deprive a freeholder of legal
> rights.
>
> An assertion that there is a right of way over a
> freeholder's land does not make it so.
>
> John K

Agreed. On CP Road where some properties have been converted/developed in recent years, walls with gates have been erected at the front of the buildings where previously there used just be a 'public footpath'. The owners have obviously exercised their rights in doing so as it is on their land.

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Posted by kevtils 26 August, 2011 14:26

post removed -



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2011:08:26:14:56:47 by kevtils.

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Posted by Huguenot 26 August, 2011 14:53

It's always a shame when individuals claim to represent joe public and claim to know best, when really they're only pursuing their own selfish interests.

'Not enough consultation' is code for 'If this doesn't give me exactly what I want I'm going to try and create an interminable delay and ramp the costs up, as I'm quite happy to piss away other people's money getting what I want' winking smiley

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Alan Medic 26 August, 2011 15:06

Now look what you've done H.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by kevtils 26 August, 2011 15:13

Ah H didnt do anything! smileys with beer
I just decided that my 'rant?' would have started an unhelpful discussion

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Chick 01 September, 2011 09:12

richardbach Wrote:
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> slefishe igorant care onwers get too muhc
> publishity and i fore one am sick of there
> incesant bleeting and whining and mobl ephone at
> teh whele useage looke if yuo don like it then i
> sugst yyuo go to somwhre whear the pertol is
> cheper an yuo can drive like a manic libya loks
> like a god option at teh minute lol


I ran a spell check on the above:


selfish ignorant car owners get too much publicity and I fore one am sick of there incessant bleating and whining and mob phone at the wheel usage looked if you don like it then I suggest you go to somewhere where the petrol is cheaper an you can drive like a manic Libya looks like a god option at the minute lol

It's still wrong but readable.

I dont think he's dyslexic just out to anoy.

Sorry a bit off topic

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by kford 22 September, 2011 10:58

Nice to see the traffic calming is already working - the new central reservation lamppost by the junction with Melbourne Grove is at a crazy angle, dented with vehicle debris and glass around the base, in addition to the lorry scrape on the other side.

Still, at least it's keeping people in a job, replacing the damaged street furniture.

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Posted by mrnzjac 22 September, 2011 11:21

Why the hell has NO ONE been working on this for two weeks ! No one wanted these bloody roadworks, now they start the job and leave us with a mess. Thank you conway's and southwark council. James Barber, please sort this out !

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Posted by mrnzjac 22 September, 2011 11:22

Just as I wrote this, I got an email about how to complain to TFL about roadworks, If you too are not happy with the mess we have been left, follow this link.

[www.tfl.gov.uk]

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Loz 22 September, 2011 11:27

kford Wrote:
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> Nice to see the traffic calming is already working
> - the new central reservation lamppost by the
> junction with Melbourne Grove is at a crazy angle,
> dented with vehicle debris and glass around the
> base, in addition to the lorry scrape on the other
> side.
>
> Still, at least it's keeping people in a job,
> replacing the damaged street furniture.

I saw the aftermath of that last night at about midnight. A VW polo hit the central reservation and it looked like it hit it hard. Ambulance and police in attendance.

I suspect it won't be the last.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by StraferJack 22 September, 2011 11:34

but isn't that just bad driving?

If people aren't expecting a changed layout, or find it awkward, how do they cope when something more serious (like a child appearing from behind a parked car) happens

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Atticus 22 September, 2011 12:28

Turning right into Oglander with a flotilla of buses coming the opposite way isn't that safe.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Loz 22 September, 2011 13:14

StraferJack Wrote:
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> but isn't that just bad driving?
>
> If people aren't expecting a changed layout, or
> find it awkward, how do they cope when something
> more serious (like a child appearing from behind a
> parked car) happens

Why is it when roads change and causes issues it is the driver's fault, but when they made changes to the bus stop at Denmark Hill that 'forced' commuters to cross the road in a dangerous place (i.e. take a short cut and not use the crossing) it is TFL's fault?

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by StraferJack 22 September, 2011 13:19

not sure I ever said that loz

That said I will always argue that people driving several tons of metal need to be more aware than people on foot trying to take a shortcut.

But I don't blame TfL for either of the scenarios if I'm honest

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Big D 22 September, 2011 14:13

has anyone noticed that driving from goose green there is a sign at the beginning of the grove vale roadworks that say you have right of way over oncoming traffic but coming the other way there is no sign to warn that this is the case. Keeps drivers on their toes I suppose

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Posted by peckhamboy 22 September, 2011 14:20

Turning right out of Elsie Rd is a bit dodgy now - the main road narrowing has reduced visibility to the right (meaning you have to accelerate quite hard because you can't tell if something else is about to appear) and they've narrowed the left hand carriageway immediately opposite so you have less room to pull out (making you hit the brakes again). Which bunch of geniuses came up with this ridiculous layout?

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by DulwichFox 22 September, 2011 19:11

peckhamboy Wrote:
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> Turning right out of Elsie Rd is a bit dodgy now -
> the main road narrowing has reduced visibility to
> the right (meaning you have to accelerate quite
> hard because you can't tell if something else is
> about to appear) and they've narrowed the left
> hand carriageway immediately opposite so you have
> less room to pull out (making you hit the brakes
> again). Which bunch of geniuses came up with this
> ridiculous layout?


Highly paid geniuses ?? sitting at a computerscreen with little maps and 'icon no entry signs' that they can move around, and create pretty little road layouts so they can justify their existance.

Bit like computer war game where no one gets hurt.

and if the cock it up, they can always change it and dig the road up yet again.

They must be having a real laugh.

Fox

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Loz 22 September, 2011 22:43

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Bit like computer war game where no one gets hurt.

The person in the VW Polo night disagree with that.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Atticus 23 September, 2011 09:30

Apologies, I meant turning right into copleston. Turning right into ogler really would be fraught with danger!

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Alan Medic 23 September, 2011 10:14

Should this thread not be called 'Grove Vale rearranged'?

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by James Barber 23 September, 2011 15:12

Puffin crossing will be activated Monday 26/9
Road easier at puffin to meet footway height 21/10
All other road works finished except road resurfacing by 28/10
Road resurfacing 28/10 - 4/11

Not a summer to soon!

I'm not clear if the strange idea to chop of the pavement outside Blackbird Bakeries is still planned and moving the bus shelter.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
[twitter.com]

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by Penguin68 24 September, 2011 13:58

I think it's neat the way they have left a pothole in the narrowed carriageway where everyone has to drive over it, or swerve dangerously to avoid it.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by kford 24 September, 2011 21:26

It nearly threw me off my bike the other day, but I think it's been filled with a bucketful of tarmac temporarily.

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Posted by James Barber 13 October, 2011 14:53

Today's Southwark News p.50 carries a public notice about a Temporary Traffic Management Order. Can't say how frustrating it is that I have to check newspapers for what and when council officers are doing things to East Dulwich.
The order itself is wrong thinking that Ondine Road has a junction with East Dulwich Grove, etc.

But piecing it together I think it warns that:

Parking will be suspended on Melbourne Grove from its junction with Grove Vale to East Dulwich Grove - presumably as a diversionary route - 20 Octboer -> 5 November.

East Dulwich Grove will be closed from its junctino with Lordship Lane to Matham Grove - 22 October -> 30 October - this is to enable a raised table to be constructed at its junction with Lordship Lane to make it safer for pedestrians and vehicles turning and also to resurface the road. From memory this will affect 1-29 & 2-20 East Dulwich Grove and see the no.37 diverted back to its old route.

Grove Vale will be closed from its junction with Melbourne Grove to Ondine Road - 8pm to 5am for 6 nights from 30 October to 5 November. Please avoid trying to travel through at these times unless on foot or bike as you're bound to be delayed. I don't think they mean Ondine I think they mean about 50m to the east to ensure they resurface the road where the new Puffin crossing is and to also build a raised table at the Puffin crossing.

Copleston Road junction with Grove Vale will be closed - 24 to 31 Octboer to buiild a raised entry treatment/raised table.

Any problems or concerns please let me know.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
[twitter.com]

messageRe: Grove vale made smallerattachment
Posted by James Barber 14 October, 2011 13:10

Attached is copy of a letter being delivered to local homes and businesses today.
Their is one spelling mistake of Oglander Road which I'm assured will be corrected for the versino being delivered.

The mention of Melbourne Grove humps beign removed - they will be put straight back at the end of the works.

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Regards jamesvbarber@gmail.com
former Liberal Democrat Councillor for East Dulwich Ward (2006-2018)
[www.jamesbarber.org.uk]
[twitter.com]

Attachments: Grove Vale EAST Dulwich Grove - Works Notification Letter.pdf (80.4KB)  
messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by peckhamboy 17 October, 2011 13:50

James - what is "local"? We've not had anything but live within 100m of the Copleston Rd/Grove vale junction. We did have a consultation leaflet about a cycle contra-flow though, including a shared pathway across the pedestrianised area at that junction.

messageRe: Grove vale made smaller
Posted by James Barber 18 October, 2011 16:18

Hi Peckhamboy,
Think I've answered your query via a pm.

The council is loath to spend money on consultations as that appears as communications along with all the public relations people. So I believe that consultation areas are more narrowly defined now. For resurfacing roads they ask the contractor to do a letter drop at their own expense to homes and businesses immediately abutting the works.

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Posted by peckhamboy 18 October, 2011 16:27

James

Thanks (and for the PM). Since there is a community notice board on that junction that magically appeared a couple of months ago but never seems to have much in it, perhaps the council could find a spare copy of the leaflet and stick it in there? It just strikes me that closing a fairly busy junction for a week might merit a little more publicity than simply sticking a note through the door of the nearest 5 houses.

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