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Trinnydad

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Count our blessings! We are much better off than folks in Europe.


They are watching on in envy as the UK conducts several million vaccinations a week all through January in a massive operation that draws on the best of the NHS and the British armed forces. There will be the same images in America, Canada, and elsewhere.


Europeans will ask why no one has been vaccinated yet and why the EU has not ordered enough doses. The distribution of doses in the EU has been delayed by indecision, bureaucracy and software failures and Brussels has struggled to offer a credible answer. They are relying mainly on the Sanofi vaccine that will not be available in volume until late 2021.


If EU elites don?t yet realise that this is going to mushroom into one of the biggest failures in the history of the European Project, they will find out soon enough. To add to the angst, they will be compelled to swallow their pride an buy our Oxford-Astra Zeneca vaccine.

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Yep and he/ she also fails to see that the UK hasn't ordered enough doses either. That initial Pfizer order is one order only, that will take up to 10 months to deliver. The UK hopes are and always were, pinned on the Oxford vaccine.


As for rollouts, it doesn't matter when you start(when you are talking of just months in difference), but how quickly you can get the vaccine out. The UK government aim is to reach 1 million doses a week. Even once that is achieved, you are looking at six months to vaccinate everyone over fifty and front line workers and vulnerable others. Other countries will catch up and may surpass that pretty quickly, and then there is the question of how we help those countries that lack the resources to vaccinate fast. Jingoistic bashing around something as important as this to score cheap points is distasteful. Beating this virus is a global concern that requires co-operation and it is going to be a hard winter for everyone.

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Haha 'as the UK conducts several million vaccinations a week' sounds very similar to all those promises to conduct millions of covid tests, state of the art tracing, acquire sufficient quantities of PPE, ring fence the elderly, need I go on? Blah Blah speaks truth...
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Some facts for Trinnydad


The UK took delivery of 800,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine at the beginning of December, enough to vaccinate 400k people, from a pre-order of 40 million doses (enough to ultimately vaccinate a third of the adult population).


Between Dec 8th and 15th, 137,897 people were given their first vaccination. By Christmas Eve, a further 420,000 had been given the first vaccination. So that is 600k so far, not millions. The hope is to achieve 1 million per week by mid January. The refrigeration requirements of the Pfizer vaccine make it limited in its practical reach. When the Oxford vaccine is approved, that should enable the vaccination program to ramp up more quickly.

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Never mind all this facts nonsense


Trinny could have said all they needed to say in the main thread. But they had to go and start two more ego threads of their own, which even if they were factually sound, are just for spite and giggles


That?s the lesson from this thread.

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Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Trinny could have said all they needed to say in

> the main thread.


Possibly, but it is useful to present different aspects in bite sized portions to let it sink in for those who are too blinkered to see truths that don't sit easily with their preconceptions.


To provide more detail, here are the stats for doses ordered by the UK as of 12 Dec.


40m Pfizer - currently being rolled out.

100m Oxford - expected to roll out in next 7 days

60m Valneva - due first quarter 2021

60m GSK

30m Jansen

9m Moderna


The facts clearly indicate the UK is well ahead and much better provided for than any other country. if you have facts/statistic to refute this, then feel free.

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Oh do behave Trinnydad. Stop with the silly games.


I have given you the facts. Only one of those vaccines has been approved in the UK. Only the first delivery of the initial order has arrived so far. You wrote 'They are watching on in envy as the UK conducts several million vaccinations a week'. That is BS. Every major economy has pre-ordered huge numbers of vaccines in the hope any of them reach approval, and it takes some time to deliver huge orders as well (over a period of months). So just stop it.

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Details re EU vaccination programme can be found at https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2467 including:


?The Commission is negotiating intensely to build a diversified portfolio of vaccines for EU citizens at fair prices. Contracts have been concluded with AstraZeneca (400 million doses), Sanofi-GSK (300 million doses), Johnson and Johnson (400 million doses ), BioNTech-Pfizer 300 million doses, CureVac (405 million doses) and Moderna (160 million doses). The Commission has concluded exploratory talks with the pharmaceutical company Novavax with a view to purchasing up to 200 million doses.


?This means that the Commission has secured a portfolio of more than 2 billion doses. For the Commission it was important from the beginning to build a diversified portfolio of vaccines based on different technologies, to increase the chances that one or more of the vaccine candidates are approved by EMA. Should all vaccines candidates turn out to be safe and effective, Member States have the possibility to donate part of their doses to lower and middle income countries.?

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Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Oh do behave Trinnydad. Stop with the silly games.

>

>

Why is it that virtually all your posts start off being judgemental in the first sentence?


The negative verdicts you hand out are caustic, insulting and designed to stifle any view you disagree with. Your positive verdicts appear only to serve an apparent need to reinforce your ego.


Why not give it a rest and look on the bright side? Most folks don't appreciate a sneering know-all.

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Let?s have a report from an EU country about the rollout(S). A country with relatively recent experience of actuall suffering caused by an invading force


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/europe-rolls-out-covid-19-vaccines-in-bid-to-leave-pandemic-behind-1.4445935?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


I?d say vaccine rollouts are going pretty well across the eu and the U.K. and there is no need for adolescent Willy waving on this subject.


But you be you TD

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Trinnydad Wrote:

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> Why is it that virtually all your posts start off

> being judgemental in the first sentence?

>

> The negative verdicts you hand out are caustic,

> insulting and designed to stifle any view you

> disagree with. Your positive verdicts appear only

> to serve an apparent need to reinforce your ego.

>

> Why not give it a rest and look on the bright

> side? Most folks don't appreciate a sneering

> know-all.


Actually they don't. But when you post deliberate lies and then double down with the kind of nonsense you write here, the ego is clearly all yours. So what Sephiroth said.

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Trinnydad Wrote:

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> The facts clearly indicate the UK is well ahead

> and much better provided for than any other

> country. if you have facts/statistic to refute

> this, then feel free.


Deaths


I've always been told the best way to predict anything going forward (like competency) is to look at what has already happened.

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nxjen Wrote:

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> Details re EU vaccination programme can be found

> at

> https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail

> /en/qanda_20_2467 including:

>

That EU press release goes big on the quantities ordered but fails to mention that they were ordered late and the vast bulk will not arrive until late 2021.


Here's the Guardians take on it https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/vaccination-rolls-out-across-europe-but-anger-remains-over-late-start

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So EU say we will get some normality by Autumn 2021, Hancock last week said 2022. It's not optimism either side of the channel


"Matt Hancock is "confident" life will begin to start returning to some semblance of normality by "2022." "


Not sure why Hancock sees it as 2022 - but that means another year of restrictions


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/matt-hancock-confident-life-return-19514073



Either way unless everybody stays in step it'll mutate to something beyond the current vaccines - and that means the rest of the world as well.

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JohnL Wrote:

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> Either way unless everybody stays in step it'll

> mutate to something beyond the current vaccines -

> and that means the rest of the world as well.


It could equally mutate to a weaker version and naturally die out as I believe Spanish Flu did...

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Either way unless everybody stays in step it'll

> > mutate to something beyond the current vaccines

> -

> > and that means the rest of the world as well.

>

> It could equally mutate to a weaker version and

> naturally die out as I believe Spanish Flu did...


Agreed


Something about the movements of troops in WW1 was supposed to cause a bad mutation between the first and second wave in 1918 (but not sure exactly how). But those that do should ensure we don't somehow walk into that scenario.

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JohnL Wrote:

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> So EU say we will get some normality by Autumn

> 2021, Hancock last week said 2022. It's not

> optimism either side of the channel

>

> "Matt Hancock is "confident" life will begin to

> start returning to some semblance of normality by

> "2022." "

>

> Not sure why Hancock sees it as 2022 - but that

> means another year of restrictions

>

> https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new

> s/matt-hancock-confident-life-return-19514073

>

>

> Either way unless everybody stays in step it'll

> mutate to something beyond the current vaccines -

> and that means the rest of the world as well.


Seems like Hancock has changed his tune this morning JohnL......headlines quoting him talking about a return to normal by spring following the oxford/astrazeneca approval....

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