Parliament may need dissolving.....seriously

[AllforNun]

Ok so by the time the expenses revelations finish towards the end of next week, the detail will begin to come out on what the rules actually state ; ".........that is necessary for the MP to do his job?.............this basically means that they have all to a man/woman been behaving in a fraudulent manner. Rumour has it that somebody/group is going to attempt to get targeted individuals into open court with a Fraud claim. If "they are successful then it would have serious implications and may lead to parliament being dissolved triggering a general election.

The politicians were aware that the expense system was a joke, yet did nothing about it and still claimed on it, now they stand in front of cameras claiming that "the system is a disgrace", they really must think the public is just a soft touch. They are just digging a bigger hole for their democratic system. This is going to get bad, cast your mind back on all the pay claims these idiots have frozen, Nurses, teachers, Firemen, Tube Drivers. They put our lives at risk so they appear to be "strict with the public purse?, they stand in front of the cameras and claim that firemen are putting people's lives at risk for striking, yet off camera they are getting their fucking swimming pools re-tiled with our money.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Ah, when one thread about this expenses fiasco just isn't enough

So yes, let's go down this road AFN and have what? Where in the world is showing us the way forward? Or have you, an insignificant nobody (like most of us) in South East London found The Answer???

The expenses system is out of order but some perspective please. Most people in this world would kill (and do) for a system as fair as ours. This self-induced, masturbatory hysteria is a decadent luxury most people can't afford.

The expenses system needs fixing. Fix it. And get about your day

[woofmarkthedog]

I'll stick with Alker Seltzer..

More reliable every time...

W**F

*does "cheese" & cleans teeth*

[Tony.London Suburbs]

A Few months time and I'll wrap my Rock and Chips in these papers, mentioning long-forgotten "issues".

2010 and this will be history, apart from this damaging the current Government more, who will, also, soon,be history....(tu)

[????]

Parliament needs blowing up, that's all

*refound anarchist quids

[Mikecg]

No Quids, what we need is a porton down style chemical weapon that only targets MP's that have exploited the expense system, I recon it could be achieved with the correct genetic to memory guilt detecting technology. It would be best delivered during the state opening of parliament that way your accuracy and strike rate would be improved, with the news papers exposing all of the privileged MP's a list could be drawn up and a hair samples could be used to get the genetic codes allowing a weapon that is 100% accurate.

You heard it here first.

[ratty]

media driven storm in a very dull teacup. Good on the mps I say. Claim away, it's a drop in the ocean anyway.

[Mikecg]

Come on ratty I know you've been acting like a @#$%& since 1970 but these people are in a very privileged position and the salary is doubled in some cases, try claiming for dog food at work or even light bulbs and see what happens. we are paying for their lavish lifestyles and the return from them is misery in the shape of stealth taxes and bailouts for the old boys club, the whole thing stinks to high heaven if you ask me, there is poverty still in existance in this country and the bastard MP's are ignoring it and robbing the working class to feed the filthy rich once again.

[????]

People who pay taxes, haven't got expense accounts and are finding things tough are below contempt to the metropolitan elite of SE22, who are about as out of touch as Oliver Letwin's Tennis court repairs. Posturing "above the masses" crap.

[matthew123]

Given the chance to jump aboard a gravy train.. you jump aboard.

I think the diabolical Expenses allowed for MPs dates back to around Thatcher's time when the recommended increase in MPs salaries was too sensitive to wave through parliament and so they did it through the backdoor by loosening MP Expenses regulations. Of course as the salaries have increased there has been a failure to tighten expenses.

[AllforNun]

Yes well mr macagabban i think you slightly miss the point,

it is not about stopping the parlimentary system it is just that the end game could be that they all have to get slung out and a general election needs to called to re-instate or attempt to, the credibility of the parlimentary system.

There got it know, or are you picking up the rice in the church where a wedding has been, sean your not Living in a dream are you, maybe blogging at the window, wearing the face that you keep in that organic jar by the door, tell me Who is it for ?

[Huguenot]

Sometimes I wonder if AfN copies insults used on other websites because they sound good, rather than because they're relevant ;-)

"maybe blogging at the window, wearing the face that you keep in that organic jar by the door, tell me Who is it for?"

erm... what? I imagine that was copied from a comment on someone's blog?

I've no doubt there will be some idiots trying to drag this into court, I also have sufficient faith in the judiciary that it'll be tossed out for the frivolous litigation it is. It won't be the end of parliament, the anarchist pipedream.

It is an embarrassment, and this petty embezzlement is amongst the many things the Freedom of Information Act was designed to expose. It demonstrates that UK society is working, and reminds us why the UK is so near the top of the anti-corruption tables.

Demand more from your MPs and vote accordingly!

[cdonline]

AllforNun Wrote:

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> Yes well mr macagabban i think you slightly miss

> the point,

>

> it is not about stopping the parlimentary system

> it is just that the end game could be that they

> all have to get slung out and a general election

> needs to called to re-instate or attempt to, the

> credibility of the parlimentary system.

>

>

What, by giving the Tories a landslide election? Do me a favour.

[Mikecg]

Petty embezzlement you say Huguenot, were not talking about a few pints from the petty cash tin on a friday this runs in to thousands and a lot of the claims are higher than the average salary in britain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8039273.stm

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Sometimes I wonder if AfN copies insults used on

> other websites because they sound good, rather

> than because they're relevant ;-)

>

> "maybe blogging at the window, wearing the face

> that you keep in that organic jar by the door,

> tell me Who is it for?"

>

> erm... what? I imagine that was copied from a

> comment on someone's blog?

>

> I've no doubt there will be some idiots trying to

> drag this into court, I also have sufficient faith

> in the judiciary that it'll be tossed out for the

> frivolous litigation it is. It won't be the end of

> parliament, the anarchist pipedream.

>

> It is an embarrassment, and this petty

> embezzlement is amongst the many things the

> Freedom of Information Act was designed to expose.

> It demonstrates that UK society is working, and

> reminds us why the UK is so near the top of the

> anti-corruption tables.

>

> Demand more from your MPs and vote accordingly!

[mockney piers]

Again both sides have it. It's uter hypocrisy on part of those MPs who were effectively taking the piss, if their were legal means I'd be delighted though I doubt it. What was it Blair said after Tory sleaze 'it's not just about being clear we, but being seen to be cleaner' *paraphrases* fat chance.

But hugs is right, our democratic system continues healthily in it's bumbling fashion, but the onus is on us to throw out of parliament anyone who's actions disgusted us. Give it a go, don't vote with the usual apathetic lack of imagination.

Maybe yes we can indeed have change. It's our fault though, not theirs.

[SeanMacGabhann]

"People who pay taxes, haven't got expense accounts and are finding things tough are below contempt to the metropolitan elite of SE22, who are about as out of touch as Oliver Letwin's Tennis court repairs. Posturing "above the masses" crap."

Quids, who is that aimed at? Never mind any valid points you have you are turning into Jon Gaunt and I doubt even you like him. Your taste for polemic is undermining your point

So I too pay my taxes, haven't got an expense account and am finding things tough. So how am I below contempt of the metropolitan elite? It's a meaningless phrase anyway, used by snakeoil salesmen, hoky folksy politicians in the US and Ayn Rand disciples.

Where is the posturing? If anyone is posturing it is anyone who says "oh if I was a politician for the last 10 years my hands would be clean". That is such blatant hypocritcal bullshit for 95% of people

Who is invoking "the masses"? Why undermine the basic point that a bad, albeit legal system has been laid bare, it's now going to change. What else is there? Being continuously angry, poring over the papers every day ultimately becomes as grubby and dehumanising as the MPs grubbing up more cash. Feelings are real and they are true - but they aren't always right

If people are ill-paid for their job and if the economy makes that job precarious, the tax money involved in this makes not a jot of difference. If MPs were paid appropriately and all expenses scrapped not one single "normal" person would benefit.

Before the minimum wage was introduced, business owners could legally pay shillings to workers and when they were told that system was coming to an end we heard the same howls of indignation as we are hearing from MPs - but just fix the problem. There is little point backdating anger. No-one made the business leaders backdate the minimum wage to all of their employees for the years spent there even tho it was patently wrong

[mockney piers]

Oh and I'm not having the whole broken system thing. If as it seems the majority have used rather than abused the system then it ain't broke, it's weak and open to abuse which makes it a matter of personal integrity in public service.

I'm loving the irony of the left leaning posters screeching about personal responsibility and the right of centre saying that it's down to the (parliamentary) social fabric to blame btw. ;)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Sometimes I wonder if AfN copies insults used on

> other websites because they sound good, rather

> than because they're relevant ;-)>

> "maybe blogging at the window, wearing the face

> that you keep in that organic jar by the door,

> tell me Who is it for?"

erm... what? I imagine that was copied from a comment on someone's blog

H...."or are you picking up the rice in the church where a wedding has been, sean your not Living in a dream are you, maybe blogging at the window, wearing the face that you keep in that organic jar by the door, tell me Who is it for "

Ha! "imagine" Very Good!.......(I realise thats a co-incidence):)....

Huguenot: That comment is for all the lonely people, where DO they all come from?

Its for all the lonely people where DO they all belong?

Comprendre, Mon Ami?:))

.....

[????]

"This self-induced, masturbatory hysteria is a decadent luxury most people can't afford. "

Polemic, Moi?

[*Bob*]

I don't know what everyone's complaining about.

Our lovely parliamentarians and accompanying expenses 'scandal' are a perfectly accurate reflection of everyone else up and down the country, 90% of us taking 'everything we're entitled to' and the rest only missing out because someone hasn't told them what they can get away with yet. Whether you're transferring assets to avoid inheritance tax, paying in cash for 10% off.. or doing a bit of gardening for cash in hand - that's you up there in the green leather seats, squirming under the spotlight.

And as as for your everyday working Joe - thes one who BBC local 'news' stop in the street - "ok.. gimme INDIGNATION.. go!" Well they're they're the worst of the lot. Trust me. The whole affair is laughable.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Fair point quids, but that was on the back of several other posts on the other thread and then AfN starting this fresh one

Neatly sidestepping my wider point tho, I'll give you that ;-)

[SeanMacGabhann]

As for *Bob*'s post, not for the first time i find myself wondering if he IS Charlie Brooker

[HonaloochieB]

Is it roght that one of them filled his swimming pool with horse manure?

That's just decadent. Not to say a little unhygienic

[mockney piers]

I see whatbuoure saying bob but if these people had made these relocation claims in a private company heydbhave been sacked for grows misconduct. I don't see whybthe same standards shouldn't apply to public life which should, after all be more scrupulous. This isn't righteous indignation, I just never pike to we people having their cake and eating it.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Indeed it IS roght H....:)