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TfL proposed cuts and changes to bus services in South and Central London

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jazzer
Posts: 608
Joined: 31 Oct 2020, 11:50

Below I have attempted to pick out bus routes which will most affect SE15, SE22 and SE23, please read and share.

This is something I feel cross party and borough councillors from both Southwark and Lewisham need to work together on.

Don't forget TfL's motto "Every journey matters", it sure don't feel like that from these proposals that not only include losing the No. 12 bus service but also the 78.

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Routes 1 (Tottenham Court Road-Canada Water) and 168 (Hampstead Heath-Old Kent Road) would be axed, although a new route would run from Hampstead Heath to Canada Water using most of the 1 and 168 routeing would be introduced. The new route is 'provisionally numbered' 1 but its actual number will be defined after the consultation

Route 188 (Russell Square-North Greenwich) would be changed to start from Tottenham Court Road instead of Russell Square
CPR Dave
Posts: 229
Joined: 20 Apr 2021, 09:03

Seems sensible

Need to get more traffic off the road and get everyone riding bicycles.
CPR Dave
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heh
weasely
Posts: 3
Joined: 12 May 2022, 19:46

No need to mock cycling. There is no other solution to the traffic crisis. Cutting buses will force people to cycle, thus reducing the amount of traffic on the road and the emissions. There is no need for buses in East Dulwich.
jazzer
Posts: 608
Joined: 31 Oct 2020, 11:50

get real
DulwichFox
Posts: 10587
Joined: 11 Jul 2010, 18:12

CPR Dave Wrote:
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> Seems sensible
>
> Need to get more traffic off the road and get
everyone riding bicycles.

What about Elderly and Disabled People.

Do you expect them to ride bicycles.

I'm Elderly and recovering from Hip Surgery.

Think before you post

DulwichFox
CPR Dave
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Joined: 20 Apr 2021, 09:03

Cutting buses won't force people to cycle. They'll just stop going in to Central London and work from home instead. It's a shame for a lot of people who rely on physical work in town like waiters and cleaners etc, but if there is no transport there will be no business in central London.

the whole city will decline from the middle outwards, just like Detroit did. And the poorest will be hit hardest by that sadly.
Spartacus
Posts: 1934
Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

CPR Dave Wrote:
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> Cutting buses won't force people to cycle. They'll
> just stop going in to Central London and work from
> home instead. It's a shame for a lot of people who
> rely on physical work in town like waiters and
> cleaners etc, but if there is no transport there
> will be no business in central London.
>
> the whole city will decline from the middle
> outwards, just like Detroit did. And the poorest
> will be hit hardest by that sadly.

I've hit the virtual like button on this post as it makes so much sense
ed26
Posts: 176
Joined: 02 May 2017, 15:01

I lived in a town with 20-min bus services. The bus co reduced the frequency to 30 mins. The number of passengers consequently declined so they reduced the frequency to 60 mins. After you've just missed a bus and had to wait 59 mins for the next one, you vow never to take the bus again and you drive into the town centre.

The point is that the bus co took one bus an hour off the service to save a few quid, and it completely decimated it. This is exactly what has been happening in London and will continue to happen until the services are as unreliable as they were 15-20 years ago.
CPR Dave
Posts: 229
Joined: 20 Apr 2021, 09:03

You'd think this would have been a golden opportunity for TfL to take money off Soutehrn rail when overground services were also being reduced.

For people stuck at ED waiting 30 minutes for the next train they could have offered a ?1 bus service into London Bridge on number 40. Would take the same time and many people would then spend money getting on the tube.
Bic Basher
Posts: 1989
Joined: 27 May 2009, 16:27

weasely Wrote:
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> No need to mock cycling. There is no other
> solution to the traffic crisis. Cutting buses will
> force people to cycle, thus reducing the amount of
> traffic on the road and the emissions. There is no
> need for buses in East Dulwich.

That's poor trolling there.
Chick
Posts: 2332
Joined: 11 Nov 2008, 13:19

You are one stop beyond East Ham.


CPR Dave Wrote:
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> Seems sensible
>
> Need to get more traffic off the road and get
> everyone riding bicycles.
Angelina
Posts: 1656
Joined: 30 Nov 2014, 09:20

Well let?s hope the government sorts out funding and supporting our vital transport service.

TFL are right to reduce number of buses, it means that journeys will be faster as less traffic.
If one route is proposed to be cut and it will have consequences, you need to tell them.
jazzer
Posts: 608
Joined: 31 Oct 2020, 11:50

It will result in longer waits and journey times, " the driver has been told to wait at this stop to help even out the service". The only people to suffer will be us, Joe Public, just like normal.
Angelina
Posts: 1656
Joined: 30 Nov 2014, 09:20

No, it means that journeys will be faster. You can find out when the bus is coming. City Mapper app has real time GPS. So you can to the bus stop at the right time.
Sue
Posts: 23499
Joined: 04 Dec 2006, 20:18

Chick Wrote:
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> You are one stop beyond East Ham.
>
>
> CPR Dave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seems sensible
> >
> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get
> > everyone riding bicycles.


Woof woof 😂
NewWave
Posts: 1252
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

CPR Dave Wrote:
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> Seems sensible
>
> Need to get more traffic off the road and get
> everyone riding bicycles.

Not everyone CAN ride bicycles!!!
I'd love to but I'm 63 years old and have hip and knee problems and am unable to start learning to ride a bike despite my physical issues.
What a ridiculous statement!
NewWave
Posts: 1252
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> CPR Dave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seems sensible
> >
> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get
> everyone riding bicycles.
>
> What about Elderly and Disabled People.
>
> Do you expect them to ride bicycles.
>
> I'm Elderly and recovering from Hip Surgery.
>
> Think before you post
>
> DulwichFox

Exactly this!
thank you.
Dogkennelhillbilly
Posts: 1044
Joined: 30 Jul 2016, 08:04

NewWave Wrote:
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> CPR Dave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seems sensible
> >
> > Need to get more traffic off the road and get
> > everyone riding bicycles.
>
> Not everyone CAN ride bicycles!!!
> I'd love to but I'm 63 years old and have hip and
> knee problems and am unable to start learning to
> ride a bike despite my physical issues.
> What a ridiculous statement!

It turns out the difference between someone (CPR Dave) being ironically stupid and merely stupid is nothing...
first mate
Posts: 3595
Joined: 19 Dec 2007, 12:19

Didn't Labour Councillors make some sort of pledge to tackle rail services locally? Cannot remember if this extended to bus services too? Either way, what exactly are they now doing re rail services? Even more important if local bus services are being decimated.
Angelina
Posts: 1656
Joined: 30 Nov 2014, 09:20

If we?re talking about trains? how about reducing obscene profits from ticket prices? National rail travel is outrageously expensive.
NewWave
Posts: 1252
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

Angelina Wrote:
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> If we?re talking about trains? how about reducing
> obscene profits from ticket prices? National rail
> travel is outrageously expensive.


We are not talking about National rail here (and yes I agree with you the prices are indeed crazy).
This is about TFL and cutting of local services.
Angelina
Posts: 1656
Joined: 30 Nov 2014, 09:20

My comment was about councillors intervening in rail services. Do they have that power?
sweetgirl
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Joined: 23 May 2008, 21:44

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sweetgirl
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gabys1st
Posts: 443
Joined: 19 Aug 2010, 15:25

i mentioned peeps' with disabilities need for bus in my email to TFL. Easier to do and quicker than registering etc with them.
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