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Petition to save No. 12 Bus Route

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GMav
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Oct 2016, 18:17

Hi All
Transport for London are proposing to remove our route 12 Bus Dulwich Library - Oxford Circus i have just started a petition to try to convince them that they need to keep the 12 Bus route please see attached for link to petition - please pass onto as many people as you can or print off page, we have less than six weeks before the consultation period ends

regards

George
GMav
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Oct 2016, 18:17

Please see link below!

https://chng.it/hgH4BfPJJh
Asset
Posts: 4016
Joined: 16 May 2007, 18:10

It used to go to all the way to Notting Hill. They reduced that part years ago. Would be a shame for the route to go altogether.
Not like there are loads of buses servicing the area already 🙄
Petition signed
Nigello
Posts: 3423
Joined: 27 Dec 2012, 15:48

We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes down to E and C and beyond.
I agree it is not a good idea to take away this route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not good number of routes is wrong.
Dulwich Born And Bred
Posts: 3796
Joined: 18 Sep 2007, 20:43

The 12 is the closest bus stop to my mum that takes her to St Thomas plus Oxford Circus. Not everyone is on the other bus route. The 12 is iconic too.
BlueLeaf
Posts: 5
Joined: 09 Nov 2020, 11:17

It looks like it will be replaced by 148 according to this article: https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/tra ... s-24107649

"After Camberwell Road, Medlar Street, the 148 would turn left and follow the old route of the 12 to Dulwich Library instead of terminating at Camberwell Green"

So we will still have the route in some form though I wonder what the frequency will be.
Nigello
Posts: 3423
Joined: 27 Dec 2012, 15:48

The one-four-eight will pick up the slack. TfL is a costly thing to run so I can understand where the thinking is on this. I do think there are too many buses at certain times, resulting in bunching and extended journey times, which is good for noone and not the environment, either - static or near static diesel buses end to end is not a good look for TfL which is keen to burnish its green(ish) credentials.
BlueLeaf
Posts: 5
Joined: 09 Nov 2020, 11:17

By the way, it may be more effective to complete the official survey: https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview
Nigello
Posts: 3423
Joined: 27 Dec 2012, 15:48

BlueLeaf Wrote:
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> By the way, it may be more effective to complete
> the official survey:
> https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview

Agreed - waffling and whining on here is never likely to effect positive change.
GMav
Posts: 19
Joined: 29 Oct 2016, 18:17

Good shout - it is on the link within the flyer but not clear.
Mabaker
Posts: 78
Joined: 18 Jul 2011, 13:44

What's not good for the environment is having a reduced bus service making the car more attractive. What about those people who have mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on and off buses, let alone to keep changing along the route. Petition signed
Jacqui5254
Posts: 699
Joined: 21 Mar 2012, 20:38

Mabaker Wrote:
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed

This.

Petition signed also.
CPR Dave
Posts: 229
Joined: 20 Apr 2021, 09:03

Good luck George

Tfl is a ******* disgrace
jazzer
Posts: 609
Joined: 31 Oct 2020, 11:50

That's why A Cross borough/cross party approach is needed to tackle this latest set of proposals.
CPR Dave
Posts: 229
Joined: 20 Apr 2021, 09:03

So we need to cancel having a party political Mayor of London?
NewWave
Posts: 1255
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

Nigello Wrote:
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> We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes
> along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes
> (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes
> down to E and C and beyond.
> I agree it is not a good idea to take away this
> route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not
> good number of routes is wrong.
These routes are useless for those of us who work in the Central west end.
The 176 more often than not seems to stop short at Waterloo and those of us who work in retail and catering rely heavily on the 12 to get us to and from work at a price we can afford.
NewWave
Posts: 1255
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

Mabaker Wrote:
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed

Amen to this!
Cauliflowerear
Posts: 28
Joined: 18 May 2022, 20:02

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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The 12 is
> iconic too.

Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just another bus that hardly anyone outside of East Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of other buses going the same way you can jump on, which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
Spartacus
Posts: 1946
Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost over and you can immerse yourself back in studying for your 11 plus again.
Cauliflowerear
Posts: 28
Joined: 18 May 2022, 20:02

Spartacus Wrote:
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> Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost
> over and you can immerse yourself back in studying
> for your 11 plus again.


What a valuable and informative contribution to the conversation. Your wit is as dull as i expect your personality is.
Spartacus
Posts: 1946
Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older then you are... Good luck going to big boys school in September.
Cauliflowerear
Posts: 28
Joined: 18 May 2022, 20:02

Spartacus Wrote:
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> Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older
> then you are... Good luck going to big boys school
> in September.


Yeah, we get it mate. You made that boring the joke the first time. No one was impressed, and even less so the second time. Are you that devoid of intellect and/or knowledge on the topic in hand that you have nothing to contribute? No doubt you have some fantastic anecdotes and humour down the pub on a Saturday night.
NewWave
Posts: 1255
Joined: 23 Jun 2013, 15:41

Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.

No everyone wants to have to change busses to get to work...it means paying twice and what's more holding down a job in the current climate is stressful enough without it taking me over an hour and two busses to get to an from work.
i daresay you work from home and have a nice 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself that have to worry about public transport and not clocking in late.
JohnL
Posts: 8487
Joined: 09 Feb 2008, 10:24

Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.

Actually 12 goes via Camberwell whilst the 63s, 78s and 343s don't.
JohnL
Posts: 8487
Joined: 09 Feb 2008, 10:24

They are talking about extending the 148 to cover Peckham->Camberwell I notice after reading the whole thread .
KidKruger
Posts: 11398
Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 16:15

I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship Lane.
Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?
(apols if I've missed something)
Spartacus
Posts: 1946
Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

KidKruger Wrote:
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> I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship
> Lane.
> Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?
> (apols if I've missed something)

Either the drivers been to Megan's on route or the bus is in the way to the start point at the library 🤔
goldilocks
Posts: 1051
Joined: 06 Mar 2010, 19:35

Just on this idea of paying twice - hopper fares mean that you can get on unlimited busses within 1 hour and only pay once. It has actually really helped with bus travel for me, especially on routes like vauxhall to ED - means can take a 36 and then change at Camberwell for the multiple options there for example.


NewWave Wrote:
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> Cauliflowerear Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > The 12 is
> > > iconic too.
> >
> > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> > another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> > Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> > stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads
> of
> > other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> > which is probably exactly why its getting
> canned.
>
> No everyone wants to have to change busses to get
> to work...it means paying twice and what's more
> holding down a job in the current climate is
> stressful enough without it taking me over an hour
> and two busses to get to an from work.
> i daresay you work from home and have a nice
> 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself
> that have to worry about public transport and not
> clocking in late.
Nigello
Posts: 3423
Joined: 27 Dec 2012, 15:48

I think it is a bit of a pain to change, but less of a pain than not having any bus at all. Maybe the money saved could one day be used to fund minibuses to supplement the bigger/longer routes, ie. providing a cross-borough or cross-neighbourhood route.
ken78
Posts: 1399
Joined: 23 May 2009, 08:04

i see poor old cauli is at it again will this FOOL ever learn .... i don't think so, come on cauli STOP having a go at every one TRY IT YOU MIGHT MAKE A FRIEND
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