Hi All
Transport for London are proposing to remove our route 12 Bus Dulwich Library - Oxford Circus i have just started a petition to try to convince them that they need to keep the 12 Bus route please see attached for link to petition - please pass onto as many people as you can or print off page, we have less than six weeks before the consultation period ends
regards
George
Petition to save No. 12 Bus Route
We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes down to E and C and beyond.
I agree it is not a good idea to take away this route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not good number of routes is wrong.
I agree it is not a good idea to take away this route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not good number of routes is wrong.
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Dulwich Born And Bred
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The 12 is the closest bus stop to my mum that takes her to St Thomas plus Oxford Circus. Not everyone is on the other bus route. The 12 is iconic too.
It looks like it will be replaced by 148 according to this article: https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/tra ... s-24107649
"After Camberwell Road, Medlar Street, the 148 would turn left and follow the old route of the 12 to Dulwich Library instead of terminating at Camberwell Green"
So we will still have the route in some form though I wonder what the frequency will be.
"After Camberwell Road, Medlar Street, the 148 would turn left and follow the old route of the 12 to Dulwich Library instead of terminating at Camberwell Green"
So we will still have the route in some form though I wonder what the frequency will be.
The one-four-eight will pick up the slack. TfL is a costly thing to run so I can understand where the thinking is on this. I do think there are too many buses at certain times, resulting in bunching and extended journey times, which is good for noone and not the environment, either - static or near static diesel buses end to end is not a good look for TfL which is keen to burnish its green(ish) credentials.
By the way, it may be more effective to complete the official survey: https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview
BlueLeaf Wrote:
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> By the way, it may be more effective to complete
> the official survey:
> https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview
Agreed - waffling and whining on here is never likely to effect positive change.
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> By the way, it may be more effective to complete
> the official survey:
> https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview
Agreed - waffling and whining on here is never likely to effect positive change.
What's not good for the environment is having a reduced bus service making the car more attractive. What about those people who have mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on and off buses, let alone to keep changing along the route. Petition signed
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Jacqui5254
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Mabaker Wrote:
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed
This.
Petition signed also.
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed
This.
Petition signed also.
Nigello Wrote:
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> We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes
> along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes
> (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes
> down to E and C and beyond.
> I agree it is not a good idea to take away this
> route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not
> good number of routes is wrong.
These routes are useless for those of us who work in the Central west end.
The 176 more often than not seems to stop short at Waterloo and those of us who work in retail and catering rely heavily on the 12 to get us to and from work at a price we can afford.
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> We have lots of buses, Asset. We have three routes
> along nearly all of LL, then the smaller routes
> (P4, 485, P13, P12 etc.) and the Rye Lane routes
> down to E and C and beyond.
> I agree it is not a good idea to take away this
> route but to pretend we don't have a decent if not
> good number of routes is wrong.
These routes are useless for those of us who work in the Central west end.
The 176 more often than not seems to stop short at Waterloo and those of us who work in retail and catering rely heavily on the 12 to get us to and from work at a price we can afford.
Mabaker Wrote:
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed
Amen to this!
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> What's not good for the environment is having a
> reduced bus service making the car more
> attractive. What about those people who have
> mobility issues and find it difficult to hop on
> and off buses, let alone to keep changing along
> the route. Petition signed
Amen to this!
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Cauliflowerear
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DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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The 12 is
> iconic too.
Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just another bus that hardly anyone outside of East Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of other buses going the same way you can jump on, which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
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The 12 is
> iconic too.
Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just another bus that hardly anyone outside of East Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of other buses going the same way you can jump on, which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
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Cauliflowerear
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Spartacus Wrote:
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> Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost
> over and you can immerse yourself back in studying
> for your 11 plus again.
What a valuable and informative contribution to the conversation. Your wit is as dull as i expect your personality is.
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> Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost
> over and you can immerse yourself back in studying
> for your 11 plus again.
What a valuable and informative contribution to the conversation. Your wit is as dull as i expect your personality is.
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Cauliflowerear
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Spartacus Wrote:
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> Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older
> then you are... Good luck going to big boys school
> in September.
Yeah, we get it mate. You made that boring the joke the first time. No one was impressed, and even less so the second time. Are you that devoid of intellect and/or knowledge on the topic in hand that you have nothing to contribute? No doubt you have some fantastic anecdotes and humour down the pub on a Saturday night.
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> Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older
> then you are... Good luck going to big boys school
> in September.
Yeah, we get it mate. You made that boring the joke the first time. No one was impressed, and even less so the second time. Are you that devoid of intellect and/or knowledge on the topic in hand that you have nothing to contribute? No doubt you have some fantastic anecdotes and humour down the pub on a Saturday night.
Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> -----
> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
No everyone wants to have to change busses to get to work...it means paying twice and what's more holding down a job in the current climate is stressful enough without it taking me over an hour and two busses to get to an from work.
i daresay you work from home and have a nice 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself that have to worry about public transport and not clocking in late.
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> -----
> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
No everyone wants to have to change busses to get to work...it means paying twice and what's more holding down a job in the current climate is stressful enough without it taking me over an hour and two busses to get to an from work.
i daresay you work from home and have a nice 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself that have to worry about public transport and not clocking in late.
Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
Actually 12 goes via Camberwell whilst the 63s, 78s and 343s don't.
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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
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> -----
> The 12 is
> > iconic too.
>
> Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads of
> other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> which is probably exactly why its getting canned.
Actually 12 goes via Camberwell whilst the 63s, 78s and 343s don't.
KidKruger Wrote:
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> I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship
> Lane.
> Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?
> (apols if I've missed something)
Either the drivers been to Megan's on route or the bus is in the way to the start point at the library
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> I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship
> Lane.
> Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ?
> (apols if I've missed something)
Either the drivers been to Megan's on route or the bus is in the way to the start point at the library
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goldilocks
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Just on this idea of paying twice - hopper fares mean that you can get on unlimited busses within 1 hour and only pay once. It has actually really helped with bus travel for me, especially on routes like vauxhall to ED - means can take a 36 and then change at Camberwell for the multiple options there for example.
NewWave Wrote:
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> Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > The 12 is
> > > iconic too.
> >
> > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> > another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> > Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> > stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads
> of
> > other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> > which is probably exactly why its getting
> canned.
>
> No everyone wants to have to change busses to get
> to work...it means paying twice and what's more
> holding down a job in the current climate is
> stressful enough without it taking me over an hour
> and two busses to get to an from work.
> i daresay you work from home and have a nice
> 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself
> that have to worry about public transport and not
> clocking in late.
NewWave Wrote:
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> Cauliflowerear Wrote:
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> > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > The 12 is
> > > iconic too.
> >
> > Iconic? No it isnt, catch yourself on. Its just
> > another bus that hardly anyone outside of East
> > Dulwich really cares about. Once you are a few
> > stops up the road to Peckham, there are loads
> of
> > other buses going the same way you can jump on,
> > which is probably exactly why its getting
> canned.
>
> No everyone wants to have to change busses to get
> to work...it means paying twice and what's more
> holding down a job in the current climate is
> stressful enough without it taking me over an hour
> and two busses to get to an from work.
> i daresay you work from home and have a nice
> 40k+PA job..its the 'little people' like myself
> that have to worry about public transport and not
> clocking in late.
I think it is a bit of a pain to change, but less of a pain than not having any bus at all. Maybe the money saved could one day be used to fund minibuses to supplement the bigger/longer routes, ie. providing a cross-borough or cross-neighbourhood route.