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rorsome
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Joined: 17 Mar 2014, 16:39

East Dulwich gets a (dubious) mention in Vice's list of London's "most heterosexual neighbourhoods".

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgek9/ ... traightest
Dogkennelhillbilly
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Joined: 30 Jul 2016, 08:04

Almost word perfect article. Woulda deleted the Piccadilly Circus section because it's a bit hacky.
Waseley
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Joined: 19 Jan 2022, 21:54

My word, do we have to go to the outer boroughs for more diversity? What a wonderful role reversal. Great article, made me smile
DuncanW
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Joined: 10 Oct 2012, 17:43

Maybe... or maybe articles like this are generally written by people who aren't from London, live in Zone 2 and have never spent much time in Croydon, Enfield or Bromley. I expect this 'hot-take' might read quite differently if that were so.
Dogkennelhillbilly
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DuncanW Wrote:
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> articles like this are generally
> written by people who aren't from London,

Yes - the way he describes Peckham as a black neighbourhood being gentrified by white people shows he doesn't know anything about Peckham. But otherwise his catty thumbnail sketches are pretty on the button IMHO (in my heterosexual opinion).
Angelina
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Joined: 30 Nov 2014, 09:20

I'm amused by the comment that gay people don't gentrify anything.
It's a bit of a tongue in cheek article but ED doesn't have gay bars - that's factual, but then ED isn't somewhere one would go to to go out out
first mate
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Joined: 19 Dec 2007, 12:19

Long ago ED was quite working class and then became the faintest of faintly bohemian (Tony Blair just voted in, Grace and Favour and Blue Mountain opened, lots of independent shops, bric a brac places etc..) but swifly morphed into nappy valley as new property hungry mummies and daddies swept in from Putney, Battersea etc.. Now it is totally MOR and as the chains continue to move in I think it could end up utterly suburban and boring and soooo heterosexual.

Bellenden now is a bit what ED used to be like, back in the day.
Dogkennelhillbilly
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first mate Wrote:
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> utterly suburban and
> boring and soooo heterosexual.

Beckenham ☠💀💀
first mate
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Joined: 19 Dec 2007, 12:19

Noooooooo!
Jenijenjen
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Joined: 26 Sep 2021, 13:16

? Bellenden now is a bit what ED used to be like, back in the day.?

I always think Nunhead has the old East Dulwich (not ED) vibe
Spartacus
Posts: 1951
Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

There was a time when the Grasshopper pub and nightclub at Westerham was cited by a tabloid as the place to go for swingers. Did wonders for their takings as hordes of single lads descended on it for a while.

That's as outer London as you could get.

Guess with all the young wealthy families here, as first mate pointed out, we will have to wait a few more years till their kids are old enough for their parents to go wild and explore their chained up sexuality to make ED swing again 😉
Spartacus
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Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

Just saw this on the BBC news everso slightly related but the expression WTF comes to mind

BBC News - Car insurer Geico may have to pay $5m after woman contracts STI in a vehicle
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61763333
Waseley
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Joined: 19 Jan 2022, 21:54

Tut tut, Westerham is in Kent, but good to know that perverse practices happen there!
Rockets
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Joined: 06 Aug 2007, 16:48

Dulwich is definitely going through another change with an influx of folks who can afford the ludicrous house prices. To be honest definitely losing the bohemian vibe of 15 years ago as the creatives, media types and artists are gradually being replaced by bankers and other loaded types. And I fear Lordship Lane is starting to reflect this.
Jenijenjen
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Joined: 26 Sep 2021, 13:16

There have been layers of gentrification similar to an archaeological dig. In the mid to late 1990s, those with more imagination than money discovered the pleasures of East Dulwich and took the plunge to move south of the river introducing a ?bohemian? vibe. More interesting shops moved into shop premises left empty by the exodus of butchers and greengrocers in the wake of the arrival of Sainsburys.

Ten years or so later, gentrification of the area had become established and some of the early trailblazers cashed in their chips to move to pastures new, East Dulwich became ED and the area had become more vibrant but less quirky (for want of a better word). This era saw the founding of the East Dulwich Forum and later the opening of the Picturehouse. Little jewellery shops began to open and more estate agents. One thread on this forum that comes to mind from this time complained about the ?chavs? that had begun to appear around the EDT.

Then a few years ago, the current era described by Rockets started. Shop landlords became greedy, more and more loft extensions were/are being built and wealth has become the dominant factor rather than imagination. But East Dulwich is still a pleasant place to live, with its parks and lively high street. The changes that have taken place here have taken place elsewhere and are not separate from the wider political/social climate. East Dulwich still has a good vibe but then it always did - it really wasn?t as down at heel and rough as some newcomers seem to believe prior to gentrification!
Rockets
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You can probably track the gentrification of the area via the Famous People Spotted in Sainsbrys thread.

Started with the likes of Jo Brand, Micky Flanagan and Timothy Spall, moved to some of the McGann brothers, James Nesbitt and Iain Glenn, then Kate Thornton and now Olivia Coleman, Jason Statham and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley!
Angelina
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what does that mean? started with? Are you suggesting a gradual improvement in the quality of our 'celebrities'?
That's very rude.

Some of the names above have lived here for a long time.
I very much doubt Jason Statham has thought "ooh, east dulwich is on the up, I must move there"....
There are many other reasons people live in an area.

Who would be the ultimate celeb to watch out for in Sainsbury Dog Kennel Hill - so we know when ED has "arrived"?
Jenijenjen
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Olivia Colman moved to this area in 2011 and has now left us for Norfolk.

ETA and Jason Statham and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley live in Chelsea
Spartacus
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Joined: 12 May 2008, 17:54

Angelina Wrote:
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> Who would be the ultimate celeb to watch out for
> in Sainsbury Dog Kennel Hill - so we know when ED
> has "arrived"?

Has to be her Majesty and a pack of corgies
Rockets
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Jenijenjen Wrote:
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> Olivia Colman moved to this area in 2011 and has
> now left us for Norfolk.
>
> ETA and Jason Statham and Rosie
> Huntington-Whiteley live in Chelsea

Angelina - it was a joke, playing on the fact that we have had everyone from comedians through Oscar winners and one of Hollywood's leading earners.

Jason Statham and Rosie H-W do live in Dulwich (maybe their place in Dulwich is their second house in the country!! ;-)).

Probably the most famous/infamous was The Iron Lady herself but I doubt any of us would have welcomed her, or seen her, in Sainsbury's during her time as a Dulwich resident - I did, whilst working a Saturday job as a teenager deliver some pine furniture to Maggie's neighbours house - the security to get onto the gated houses was, understandably, ludicrous!
JohnL
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Joined: 09 Feb 2008, 10:24

Lets go for mine; Crouch End (scary in its way but a mate liked it), Canary Wharf (Macho), Barnet (Some nice pubs but its not the south).

The worst Gentrification has to be Elephant Park - rather than a gradual gentrification that was a big bang.
first mate
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Yes, I think there was an earlier bang when a decision was made to turn it into a 'statement' and London landmark by painting it all pink...
Sue
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006, 20:18

Jenijenjen Wrote:
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> East Dulwich still has a good vibe but then it
> always did - it really wasn?t as down at heel and
> rough as some newcomers seem to believe prior to
> gentrification!


I've always liked East Dulwich through all its incarnations, but I think it WAS pretty down at heel and rough, certainly around 1990.

There were no decent pubs (and some had frequent fights), there were shops with things like old prams outside (for sale, not customers' prams!), there were no nice places to have a cup of coffee until Blue Mountain opened, and then Grace and Favour opposite which used to include a sort of tea shop, if memory serves.

It's always been a great place to live though, because of the woods and the parks nearby.
Angelina
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sorry - hard to tell when people are joking on here!
KidKruger
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Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 16:15

Yeah, 1990 ED was not the flashiest of neighbourhoods, by a country mile !
There was easy aggro in the pubs around here, Foresters, Palmerston.
None of my mates would come down here for the weekend, let alone a night, felt safer up Northside.
Loved it though, and as Sue says, all the versions of ED have had their plus-sides.

Sue Wrote:
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> Jenijenjen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > East Dulwich still has a good vibe but then it
> > always did - it really wasn?t as down at heel
> and
> > rough as some newcomers seem to believe prior
> to
> > gentrification!
>
>
> I've always liked East Dulwich through all its
> incarnations, but I think it WAS pretty down at
> heel and rough, certainly around 1990.
>
> There were no decent pubs (and some had frequent
> fights), there were shops with things like old
> prams outside (for sale, not customers' prams!),
> there were no nice places to have a cup of coffee
> until Blue Mountain opened, and then Grace and
> Favour opposite which used to include a sort of
> tea shop, if memory serves.
>
> It's always been a great place to live though,
> because of the woods and the parks nearby.
TheCat
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Joined: 12 Mar 2014, 14:46

rorsome Wrote:
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> East Dulwich gets a (dubious) mention in Vice's
> list of London's "most heterosexual
> neighbourhoods".
>
> https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgek9/london-neig
> hbourhoods-straightest

"Heterosexual vibes? don?t simply mean ?lots of straight people?. It can be a feeling in the air, an aesthetic or a set of priorities built around a certain life path"

ahh..the 'feeling in the air'....Brrr....defintely feels a bit 'gay' out there this morning, make sure you take a jumper when you go out....

IN the case of this aricle, you could probably swap the word "heterosexual"....for 'whiteness' or 'maleness' or "cisgender'....and the article wouldnt miss a beat as some vague tribute to the gods of diversity, where the sole purpose of the article seems to be to puff up the authours sense of their own virtue.....
KidKruger
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Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 16:15

ha ha well said Cat !!
Nigello
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Cis - word appropriated from chemistry to attempt to make a mystique, even an air of pathology, out of everyday existence. https://www.historians.org/publications ... -cisgender
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