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Posted by mmtrauer 12 March, 2019 12:07

Hi everyone

We're going to Southwark Town Hall (33 Peckham road) with our 10 month old on Friday morning (15th March) to support #Fridaysforfuture (the global school strikes started by Greta Thunberg). Please join us in trying to save the world for our children!

Love from Kaija, Michael and Tuuli

[www.fridaysforfuture.org]
[www.facebook.com]

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Posted by DaveR 12 March, 2019 12:10

Do you actually agree with this:

"School children are required to attend school. But with the worsening Climate Destruction this goal of going to school begins to be pointless."

If you do, you really need to go to school.

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Posted by JohnL 12 March, 2019 12:16

Many children like to remain 3 or 4 weeks ahead of the class (I did once when I was young and clever).

So it's not always personally falling behind rather than setting an example to those that need to catch up.

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Posted by mmtrauer 12 March, 2019 12:21

Dave - the planet is at a tipping point. Personal sacrifice will not be enough, we need government to enact ambitious policy as soon as possible and to do this requires political pressure. Greta Thunberg has started an exciting political movement and we'd like to be a part of that. I think missing a day of school is more than justified in these circumstances but I understand you have different priorities and respect your opinion.

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Posted by malumbu 12 March, 2019 12:25

Good stuff. Meanwhile VW have an ad with a large SUV and a dad driving a kid to school. The roads are empty (selling the lifestyle) and all the other kids are walking. Got a lot to do to win the masses over.

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Posted by seenbeen 12 March, 2019 13:54

malumbu Wrote:
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> Good stuff. Meanwhile VW have an ad with a large
> SUV and a dad driving a kid to school. The roads
> are empty (selling the lifestyle) and all the
> other kids are walking. Got a lot to do to win
> the masses over.

Just the one kid in the SUV? The dad probably thinks he's doing his bit...he's probably had a vasectomy!

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo 12 March, 2019 17:02

The most effective way to affect the climate is to reduce consumption of meat, reduce food waste (actually one of the biggest causes of methane) and shake the consumers up to realise they actually have the power- they can choose not to buy washing liquid that is toxic to the environment (have you read your label?), not to buy plastic bottles of water and plastic ear buds and baby wipes that do not biodegrade (have you checked how many ED mummies don't actually care about that as it's more convenient to just wipe and throw away?).

That is all about education.

Taking our kids out of school really isn't the answer.

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Posted by civilservant 12 March, 2019 20:35

not the answer, but a way towards a solution
using peer pressure to make it uncool to do the things that j&b lists is probably the quickest way to get there

btw i was appalled at how much food the kids threw away every time i ate school dinner at a local school - taking them out of school for a day will def help cut back on food waste

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Posted by peckman 12 March, 2019 21:25

Great cause but southwark council is based at the town hall in Peckham these days . 160 tooley street. And probably best to picket India or China or ...Chelsea

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Posted by mmtrauer 12 March, 2019 22:49

Sure, reducing meat consumption and food waste is fantastic but these kind of individual choices alone will be too little too late. The problem is now so immediate that drastic action to create political pressure is needed. But if you don't agree with taking your kids out of school that's fine - there are plenty of other ways to be politically active!

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Posted by mmtrauer 12 March, 2019 22:53

Oh, thanks for that Peckman - Tooley st then! PS Less developed countries like India and China actually produce far less carbon per capita than countries like the UK. The responsibility is on us to lead the way and given we have relatively accountable democracies we might actually be able to make an impact!

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Posted by Seabag 14 March, 2019 22:43

malumbu Wrote:
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> Good stuff. Meanwhile VW have an ad with a large
> SUV and a dad driving a kid to school. The roads
> are empty (selling the lifestyle) and all the
> other kids are walking. Got a lot to do to win
> the masses over.

What colour is the SUV? Iím in the market for one, but itís got to be all shiny, like on the ad.

The one with 220 bhp and a DSG gearbox is on my shopping list.

Toot toot!

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Posted by civilservant 15 March, 2019 08:33

the teens are revolting in Parliament Square from 11 today [www.facebook.com]
see also [ukscn.org]

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Posted by Angelina 15 March, 2019 10:42

good choice of words!


one of mine is there... good for them.

I completely and totally disagree with the comment above that it's too little too late for people to make any dent in the issue themselves. Change your behaviour and you can - literally - change the world.

Don't leave it to our children to do.

sort yourselves out - cut out plastic bottles, baby wipes, recycle - or re-use......

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Posted by Nigello 15 March, 2019 11:23

Good on those who are making a difference, including the youngsters. I think, though, it goes much more than recycling, putting your compostable stuff in the brown bin, reusing supermarket carrier bags and the like. Real change means not buying in the first place, not driving and not - dare I say it- having as many children as you would want (rather than need). I *agree totally* that doing one's bit day to day (turning off the internet overnight or turning down the thermostat, etc. etc.) is important and necessary but over consumption and falling back on the excuse of convenience or "having earnt it" (the car, the holiday, the new phone, etc. etc) really needs to be tackled.

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Posted by civilservant 15 March, 2019 17:24

mine's just got back radiating holier-than-thou, but also admits to having had a great time

i gather that teens and tweens up and down the country were up all last night painting slogans on old bits of cardboard

good on them for sparking debate, and hoping it'll make them think harder about their own consumption habits

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Posted by Angelina 15 March, 2019 19:08

Brilliant. They all marched past my office today. Awesome.


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