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That only applies to all vehicles in Dulwich Park @exdulwicher. Not sure what the speed limit is for Peckham Rye. This thread has helped establish two things: 1) there is a speed limit of 5mph in Dulwich Park (and it applies to bikes) and 2) dogs do not have to be on a lead in many parts of Dulwich Park. It seems some folks need to read up on the rules!

It doesn't get suspended. @Penguin68 is right, Southwark do like to leave people guessing - probsbly good for revenue generation. In neighbouring Bromley their school streets signs clearly say term-time only and I am surprised Southwark don't have to call it out.

It was a wonderful event.

Ha ha, there's a throwback! Some cracking nights in there.

What are the rules in relation to dogs on leads on Peckham Rye? Within Dulwich Park they are allowed off the lead around the outer perimeter, just have to be on the lead in the central area.

For those of you who celebrate have a good one, yes even to those of you who have taken a disliking to me because I have a different viewpoint to you! Whatever you do, have a good one all!

There is a 5mph limit on the outer perimeter of the park. The outer perimeter is designated a shared use route and as such Southwark have set the speed limit for all vehicles at 5mph on it. It is the same as in Tooting Bec, that has a shared use route with the speed limit set at 12mph - which is where the council were issuing PCNs to cyclists. Whether Southwark would ever police the 5mph limit is another question. Dogs can be off the lead on the outer perimeter and are called out as part of the shared use group. They only have to be on the lead within the inner sections of the park. I suspect this is one of the reasons the speed limit is set at 5mph by the council.

Where are we heading to!? Somewhere nice I hope...I hope it has bike parking so I can cycle there! 😉

@exdulwicher You accept though that councils have the power to set speeds limits within parks don't you and that they would do this by specfic orders relevant to the park? And you accept that Dulwich Park has set that speed limit to 5mph within Dulwich Park and have clearly signposted it? And do you accept that if the said order calls out ALL vehicles having to adhere to that speed that bikes would also need to adhere? Many of your cohort would say that if the rules that are set by the order have been broken then it's a fair cop. But if it is the speed limit and you can't keep within it it's a moot point isn't it? Isn't that like someone saying their car is difficult to keep under 20mph? And this is the issue - mixing uses in a confined space creates challenges especially if some are travelling at much greater speed than others. Lime bikes are an issue and so are cargo bikes in Dulwich Park and a number of dog walkers who saw the angry cyclist vs dog incident said that there have been a number of cyclist vs dog accidents in the park.

But under the UN's 1969 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic bicycles are defined as vehicles so thus are bound by the 5mph speed limit in Dulwich Park are they not? It is a private road with speed limit set by the council.

The speed limit doesn't apply to joggers as they are not a vehicle.....;-)

I wonder what bye-law they are leaning in to for issuing the PCNs and why the GLC initiated it? I doubt Southwark would go after cyclists in the way Wandsworth do - as I said they tried to issue one to me on my bike many years ago and I can't imagine Southwark driving a speed monitoring van with a speed camera in the back into the park to issue PCNs (as Wandsworth have)....although let's be honest the gusto with which Southwark issue PCNs to car drivers if that ever dries up they'll probably come for the cyclists! If they enforced the 5mph speed limit in Dulwich Park though there would be rich pickings given the majority of cyclists are doing far faster than that. Maybe something has to be done that goes beyond the stencilled message to cyclists at the entrances to Dulwich Park to watch their speed as at times it feels very dangerous - does anyone know who the man is who flies around the park doing fast laps on that half recumbent bike?

Even on private land like within a park, do local councils not have the power to set the speed limit within parks? Southwark's website says the 5mph speed limit in Dulwick Park applies to ALL vehicles and there is 5mph signage throughout both the car accessible and non-car accessible parts. Also, and very interestingly, the weird policing by Wandsworth parks police of 12mph, which seemed like a rather odd and random speed to be enforcing, is, apparently, because there are some long forgotten bye-laws about cycle speeds from the GLC days that still apply across London which means they can issue PCNs and the speed limit in the park does very much apply to bikes which they are invoking due to problems caused by cyclists in the park. https://road.cc/content/news/speed-gun-deployed-wandsworth-parks-317353

The dogs on lead signs are on the inner section of the park - around the lake etc.

Cyclists should be observing the 5mph speed limit but most do not - some of those cargo bike boneshaker contraptions laden with small children can be witnessed flying through the park at breakneck speeds heading from Court Lane to the Dulwich Village entrance and vice versa.