Ordinary people huh? I much prefer the 12 limbed, pewter variety that now hangs about in East Dulwich. I too rather liked the Mag's old ways. Also agree to a certain extent with keef about the Bishop, I'm ambivalent towards it as it can be fine or it can be a nightmare depending on time, crowd and luck. We still have traditional boozers in the area, but the only one I miss was the old Palmerston, they're just teasing us by keeping the interior more or less untouched as in no other way does it resemble a pub. The Upland may not be much cop, but it has to be an improvement on what went on before. And the EDT for me is still getting it right, and whenever it doesn't it always tries to turn things about (although some of its interior decor decisions have been a wee bit ropey over the last 6 or 7 years!!).