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Yup, right....and you claimed there was majority support for the DV LTN in the consultation...honestly, talk about laughable. What do they say about people in glass houses... Because that's what they do. Get to be proven to be wrong and then throw something in that has nothing to do with the discussion to try and take it down another track. Which was what started this all off. Clearly @Earl Aelfheah didn't believe it, look at the angrily agitated way they tried to demand answers from the Dulwich Safer Streets Team. It seems that if you mention something some on the pro-LTN lobby dont agree with they all go a bit purple Minion and start screaming. It's like a shark feeding frenzy with all the usual suspects desperate to have a bite. The irony is of course they all say why can't we forget and move on as it has been 5 years but it is their over-excited and aggressive pavolvian responses as they try to manipulate the narrative that continues the debate. The facts are clear. In the Dulwich Village area there is a growing problem with certain types of crime. The police (via PCSO door knocking and leaflet drops) are clearly trying to do something about it. So are the people who live on the streets being impacted whilst interested on-lookers try to tell them it is not happening because it might upset their personal agenda and ideology when it comes to LTNs.

What on earth? Why are you trying to pin this on Brazilians? I think you should remove that, unless you have definitive proof that every incident of this is being done by Brazilians. I am pretty sure you shouldn't be making those type of prejudiced stereotyping statements. The rest of your note seems like pretty sound advice.

@exdulwicher in the words of MC Hammer...back up. In the words of Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast: No!...No! No! No! No! No! No! And in the words of Public Enemy: Don't Believe the Hype Let me clear up some less than accurate nonsense someone has been trying to pin on me. I did not denigrate a report without actually reading it. I read the Peter Walker media articles from 2025 and 2021, read the abstract of the 2025 report and then posed some perfectly reasonable questions (that no-one was, funnily enoigh capable or prepared to answer). Now, would those answers have allowed me to denegrate the report? Probably. And I very much suspect that's why no-one answered it. But to suggest what you have is utter nonsense and deliberate spin from a cohort of yours. Also I told people what a PCSO had told me when they knocked on my door, not that they were knocking on the doors saying that there was a spike in crime because a junctiom was closed 5 years ago. Please, try to get your facts right. There are those on here who go out of their way to deliberately skew what people like me say and it looks like folks like you are falling for it. Come on, surely some of you are better than that, just look at the childish nonsense some of us have to put up with? As I was saying..why on earth is Earl bringing up pollution now? A clear attempt to distract. Honestly the attempts to bully people into submission is getting ridiculous. Its funny that @dulvileres lambasts those of us who have dared present an alternative view to the pro-LTN lobby propaganda. I think of the likes of @heartblock and @legalalien who used to also try to fight the nonsense but we're seemingly bludgeoned out of the debate. What I love is that some of you get so irate and agitated when someone challenges the nonsense. There is such a pattern: someone challenges your position, you denegrate them, call them names, a lot of others from the pro-LTN lobby pile on and then you try to change the subject when your position is shown to be wrong. Some of you have been doing it for 5 years! 😉 Hang on a minute I have a very good track record of backing my points up with data. In fact I have often used data to prove the nonsense some of your cohort are spouting. I shared robust data (with links) on crime levels in Dulwich and then people retort that there is this report and that report from 72 London LTNs and yet when I ask for links they dont reply. Maybe it is not me who is making things up...or maybe all of these reports are behind a paywall and people subscribe and dont want to share them because they are terrified of IP infringement.......

Do you have the actual links rather than the headlines?

Travellers? What are you suggesting? I think the ones we are trying to hold to account are the council and their band of pro-LTN lobbyists! Fact checking...ha ha...I think you'll find I have been fact checking and correcting more of some posters erroneous claims than anyone has of mine! But I suppose it's all about how blinkered some people want to be! Do pay attention @snowy. I posted the data for Dulwich Village from the police website only this week. The data is all there for you to see. What does it show? 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18

I am glad you did as your first post (which you published) was a personal attack which you are not allowed to engage in on this forum. To be fair @Earl Aelfheah when I do offer credible evidence you're just as aggressive and dismissive and then, hilariously, you remove the direct accusation and then end-up still suggesting I make things up. Doh!

Ha ha...perfect timing @Earl Aelfheah. Thanks! @first mate was spot on. Some people just can't help reverting to type..... @Earl Aelfheah just what are you accusing me of making up this time...be careful as this is all starting to look like a personal attack? I now see you have edited you post to remove the makes stuff up part which I appreciate as it is a personal attack you were waging and you are sailing very close to the line on forum rules. Ha ha, except that certain types of crime have been rising since 2021...which you said was not correct but the data sides with me on that one not you. And I am the one being accused of making stuff up...it's hilarious. Where do I say that exactly.....I showed there is evidence of certain types of street crime increasing significantly in the Dulwich Village ward. And you have not shared anything you have suggested reports that show crime has not risen in LTNs - which to be fair is what I linked to. @Earl Aelfheah do you have the 72 London LTN report to which you refer?

No the Aldred one I am referring to is this one: https://findingspress.org/article/19414-the-impact-of-introducing-a-low-traffic-neighbourhood-on-street-crime-in-waltham-forest-london Can you link to the one to which you refer which compared crime rates before and after in the 72 London LTNs? Or a slight increase in overall crime. What is very clear though is certain crime types like robbery, theft from person and other theft have been increasing significantly since 2021. In the Dulwich Village ward theft from person rates alone more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 and are on course to be higher again in 2025. Ha ha...and it's almost like you are desperately throwing things to try to convince people that the increases in crime in the area isn't happening....ho hum....how predictable....and always the usual suspects...again, how predictable. It is telling how agitated some get when they hear something (what the PCSO said) that doesn't tally with their own ideology.....amazing. As I said it seems this is also how our local councillors reacted when TFL dared to say their beloved LTNs were causing congestion on Croxted...and they are alleged to have made TFL staff cry...so much so Will Norman had to intervene......why do people get so upset by this stuff and are so cultishly protective of it?

@Dogkennelhillbilly ha ha don't tempt me as during my most recent search (triggered by @Earl Aelfheah argumentative manner) I found a layer of information that would indeed help clarify whether areas within the LTN were experiencing more increases in crime than others. I do wonder what creative counter arguments would be put forward if the data did indeed show that was the case.....maybe I will find the time to do it. BTW have Aldred and Co looked at that recently - I think those who claim there is no proof that LTNs led to an increase in crime cite Aldred's last report which was published in 2021 but looked at police data between 2012 and 2019 in one LTN in Waltham Forest - so very much a (very) pre-Covid implementation of the LTN's we know today. Have they done any further studies on it?

Err, because it shows that the trend for rising theft from person may well continue to rise year-on-year in 2025 as well - like it has done every year since 2021....which shows that type of crime is increasing despite your desperate claims. The problem here @Earl Aelfheah is that you aggressively react to anything you see that you don't want to agree with or hear about - it happens every single time - you are so blinkered that you cannot look at anything with any sense of pragmatism - it's always a knee-jerk "this is a lie/5 years ago/there's no proof" claptrap. As I said before you can deny all you want but for those of us who actually live in the area concerned it is clear what is happening and crime is increasing. So you can cut the stats all you want looking at 5 month periods but, as the police data confirms, certain types of crime are increasing year on year and the police and local residents are working to try and counter it. Of course, how anyone proves it has anything to do with the LTNs is another matter but there does seem to be a correlation between closure of the roads and increases in crimes that are easier to perpetrate on quieter roads. And, of course, PCSOs validated exactly that by confirming they believe there is a correlation as they handed out leaflets on crime prevention. Of course they could be wrong but the fact they were saying that suggests there might be a problem. I believe there could be a link, you believe there cannot be a link - that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion but please do not try to tell people who are experiencing an increase crime that it is not happening. It is and the head in the sand/denial approach helps no-one. Imagined by the police data? @DulvilleRes your name suggests you might live within the area or possibly on one of the streets within the LTN - did you get a visit from the PCSOs or any leaflets put through your door?

Hey @Earl Aelfheah what if you selectively plucked the theft from person stats and looked at that instead....how is that doing? 34 theft from persons for the first 5 months of this year compared to 61 in total for the whole of 2024......and that figure of 61 had almost doubled from the figures in 2023... ...but, you know, you keep telling yourself that it is not actually happening.....you may be able to fool yourself but the people who live in the area know what is going on. And so, seemingly, are the police and thankfully, instead of pretending nothing is happening and everything is awesome, they are trying to do something about it.

What on earth does it show then? Err the baseline is the previous year's stats for the Dulwich Village ward....the discussion is whether crime is increasing in Dulwich Village and clearly certain types of crime are. I suggest it is you who are playing games. Year-on-year certain types of crime were increasing significantly within the area. It's there in black and white and shows that your claims are not based in fact...but again you chose to argue as it doesn't suit your agenda... Let's be honest, we have been here before. Ha ha, if all else fails and you're losing the battle accuse someone of being a reader of, creator of Daily Mail right-wing headlines....Ex- I expected better from you! 😉 - don't stoop to your cohort's levels! Err these stats were taken from the Police website plotting monthly reported crime in Dulwich Village - are you now also doubting those are true too....first PCSOs now the Police website - do you have trouble believing anyone when the story doesn't suit your narrative? I have now found the monthly breakdown (it can be found on the crime map for the Village Ward https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/metropolitan-police-service/dulwich-village/?yourlocalpolicingteam=about-us&tab=crimemap) and let's continue to look at the actual numbers shall we to include 2024....theft from person almost doubled year on year and is on course to be higher again this year - how do you explain that? In fact all of those 3 categories were up year on year from 2023 to 2024. 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18

You appear to be selectively plucking a month vs month comparison - what is important is the trend and that shows a upward trend in reported crimes in Dulwich Village (see below) over the last 3 years (see below) @Earl Aelfheah as I said to you previously I did the analysis in 2024 on the growth in certain types of crime and I repost it below for your benefit. Certain types of crime have, particularly been on the increase in the Dulwich Village Ward since 2021 (as far back as police records went back on their data website at the time I did the research). When I have time I will see what the trend was for 2024 as well but I can't seem to find the month-by-month breakdown that I used before. But - not only has crime overall been increasing but certain types of crime have been growing exponentially since 2021. That is a fact. Of course you do; but it neither surprises me nor concerns me. But that doesn't make it wrong or a lie. I am 100% certain that your scepticism is wrong! Next time I will ask them if they might mind me recording them to video saying what they said to keep Earl happy...but I am sure you'll probably try to question that too!!! 😉 In the Dulwich Village ward overall reported crime is up over the last year and over the last 3 years. Now, it's a bit of challenge trying to understand where the type of crime that is becoming such a problem locally is logged but there are three categories where it would reside when reported: robbery (where theft, a weapon or violence is used), theft from a person or other theft (phone snatches are filed as other). Now over the last three years all three categories have been growing considerably in the Dulwich Village ward: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 January 2024 Robbery: 5 Theft from person: 7 Other theft: 6

Does anyone know what those Calton ones are for? They have installed a four-way traffic signal set-up - they appear to be doing something along the pavement on Townley as it was all coned off yesterday.

I just love the predictable response by some to this thread - oh so reminiscent of the reaction by councillors when TFL dared to suggest that the increase in traffic on Croxted Road was due to the Dulwich LTNs......all a bit aggressive knee-jerk to desperately try to ensure the narrative that there is only good to come from LTNs is sent..... Well @Earl Aelfheah you can doubt all you want but unfortunately that doesn't change what a PCSO was saying. Your tone suggests you doubt what I am saying or I am making it up - well I am not. Have any of you naysayers actually spoken to anyone who lives in the Dulwich LTN area and asked them about whether they feel there is an increase in crime? @DulvilleRes your name suggests you live in the area - what's the buzz on your street? Now, of course, you can debate all you like whether this is because of the road closures or not but there is a distinct perception that crime is increasing - every day those who live on the streets are hearing about crimes, police and PCSOs are pro-actively knocking on houses within the LTN to advise residents how to avoid being a victim of crime - yet the posters on this forum say...."nope, this is a lie, everything is awesome"....