Earl Aelfheah

I read that as a 39% increase from the school streets programme - roughly 39K? I think there are around 24 school streets in Southwark, so that's around 1,625 fines per street over the course of a year - so a couple a week on average per school street? Have I done the maths right there? Does seem like quite a lot. OK, that's a fairer comparison. Does this 'look worse' though? If you read the Council's own narrative, it appears that the increases are down to better enforcement (more cameras installed to stop people driving in bus lanes), more enforcement officers employed to ticket those who have parked illegally and the introduction (and subsequent enforcement of) School Streets. If you're not going to enforce bus lanes or parking restrictions, then what's the point of having them? And if you do want to argue against them, make that case (rather than supporting them in principle, but not in practice). There are 430 million miles travelled on Southwark roads each year. If there are only 264,259 PCNs being issued, that suggests that the vast majority of drivers manage without getting caught in bus lanes, driving through a school street, or parking illegally. Don't think it's hypothecated in this way. Any surplus from PCNs generally goes into a fund that can be allocated for (amongst other things) improvements to roads and the public realm. I suspect that some of that budget was used to landscape the square / improve the layout. Any answer to this? Are there other organisations who's subscription email updates we want to start regularly posting on the forum?

Is there a reason we have yet another LTN thread? Also, any chance anyone knows who runs ‘one Dulwich’, or why their missives are constantly being reposted on this forum, despite people being able to sign up to receive them if they're interested? Thanks. I suspect most people are in favour of school streets.

Surely you can think of a reason fewer PCN's may have been issued during lockdown? I mean I know that some people were driving to Barnard Castle, but generally the number of car journeys dropped dramatically. How is the Dulwich LTN a revenue generator exactly? The arguments that parking fines are being used to fund LTNs and that LTNs are a revenue generator, are not logically consistent.

This is my point. If you are interested in achieving vision zero, then you need to address the major cause of death and serious injury (motor vehicles). We have numerous threads discussing inconsiderate behaviour by people travelling on bicycle (often whilst also minimising the very real (objectively measurable) danger posed by motor vehicles). That doesn't seem proportionate, or serious. So those saying "yeah, that mouse is a nuisance, but shouldn't we talk about that massive elephant standing behind you?", are not being unreasonable.

We had national lock downs in 2019-20 and 2020-21. If you look at PCNs issued across the last three years (post COVID), the picture is more mixed. Feels a little mischievous to pick that year for comparison doesn't it?: 2021/22 242,775 ⬆️ 2022/23 196,285 ⬇️ 2023/24 264,259 ⬆️ Amazing how the extremely opaque 'One Dulwich' organisation has all the same talking points to one of the posters on this forum.

My strong belief (in general, but with Southwark Council in particular) is that things like this are nearly always the result of incompetence rather than conspiracy.

We have a large number of collisions involving motor vehicles locally (which pose the most serious danger to other road users by several orders of magnitude). When there have been attempts to discuss the data on this, the same individuals obsessed with the 'menace' of people on bicycles, have sought to minimise or dismiss it. There is a disproportionate obsession by some with the 'danger' of bicycles which suggests more of a personal axe to grind than any serious engagement with the issue of road safety. Southwark had 168 KSIs (killed and serious injured) in 2022 (the most recent figures I could find with a quick google). This is not insignificant.

To a degree yes. I’m pointing out that people claiming to be desperately concerned about road safety are choosing to focus almost exclusively on the use of bicycles (creating multiple threads), whilst repeatedly minimising any attempt to discuss the major cause of road deaths and injuries. That doesn’t seem to be particularly serious to me.

The vast majority of those travelling on bike do stop and find it very annoying when others don't in my experience. I also see people driving through on red in cars, although much less frequently (due to the increased likelihood of their being fined). I don't think its' anything about a 'tribe' - there is nothing inherently more selfish about 'cyclists', they're just people who travel by other means at other times. The real issue should be how we make streets safer. This is why I get a bit bored of the wildly disproportionate attention given to what is by almost any objective measure one of the most benign transport choices, besides walking. What we need is more consideration in general, with a particular focus on tackling the most dangerous / destructive forms of road behaviour.

Looks like they do recognise a trades union USDAW - Sainsbury’s and Usdaw sign a new national agreement to improve trade union organising and representation within the business

Those are ridiculous. Are we sure they've finished putting the signage in, seeing as they're not enforcing it yet?

You can get a full breakdown of all council spending here: Council spending | Southwark Council

Or one poster can just keep creating multiple posts on effectively the same topic, to ensure that no other debate gets heard

2019/20 and 2020/21 included lockdowns. BTW, you can get a full breakdown of all council spending here: Council spending | Southwark Council

You've quoted me out of context and misunderstood the point. Read it again.

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No. I'm saying that this does keep happening to you a lot. On the accusation of being boring - repeatedly posting anecdotes of how you've observed someone behaving badly on a bicycle isn't exactly enlightening. I could tell you stories daily, of how I've seen people parked illegally, driving whilst on their phone, or breaking the speed limit too, but that would be very, very dull. We know that you perceive people as posing a significant threat to others when travelling by bicycle specifically (rather than by any other mode of transport). I would counter that all objective evidence is that they don't. The anecdotes add very little.

Quickly looked this up. Relevant guidance on Workplace temperatures - GOV.UK : ...so probably reliant on Sainsbury's choosing to do the right thing, rather than being compelled to unfortunately.

One poster in particular does like to keep creating more and more of them on ostensibly the same topic 🤔

How does this keep happening to you?

Why don’t you raise it with your councillor and see what they say? I agree that from the picture it doesn’t look like it’s obvious (and it should be), but honestly I’m not familiar with that bit of road. Sounds like when similar concerns have been raised in the past the council have taken action to make things clearer

It's just the type of tree. That is what they look like

This thread isn't about the LTN (not everything is about a change to road layout made almost 5 years ago now - might be time to move on?)... And another way to think of this is that concerns were raised and addressed (albeit not as quickly as you might like). Clear signage is obviously important. Where you feel it's not clear, it's definitely worth raising through your councillor. *yawn*

The latest data shows the number of daily cycle journeys in London has increased again on 2023, hitting an estimated 1.33 million journeys per day (up 26% since 2019). To put it in perspective, that's equivalent to about a third of all daily Tube journeys. That makes it a fairly mainstream mode of mass transport imo.

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