Earl Aelfheah

So if there is zero need to enter the bus lane and there are signs and road markings making it clear that it is a bus lane, where is the 'trap' exactly? I’m assuming all this tedious nonsense about bus lanes is the result of your getting caught in one? If so, and if you believe the circumstances were unfair, perhaps try appealing the fine before creating a whole conspiracy narrative across multiple threads? …thats assuming you weren’t just cutting up the inside of some traffic to turn left of course.

With links included: On Railton Road - Residents started driving less once their area became an LTN: On Southwark Council Guidance - "Recommendation 14: Introduce a borough wide programme of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods" On Tfl and using bus lanes when turning left - "If you want to turn left across a bus lane, an arrow or a dotted white line on the carriageway will indicate if this is permitted." Highway code on bus lanes "you should not drive in a bus lane during its period of operation" ...and your 'evidence' that Southwark use bus lanes as "traps" and "generate funds" for "vanity projects"... the same claim that Tfl allow you to use any bus lane when turning left (they don't, see above).

That would be an expensive broom.

So your evidence that Southwark are laying "traps" to "generate funds" to pay for "vanity projects", is that one bus lane stops slightly shorter than another one, at two entirely different junctions? Underhill is a two way street, with buses turning in and out of it, and which sits at an acute angle from Lordship lane (turning from the left). It is notable that you have not answered the question about whether you believe the turn into Overhill is impossible, or even difficult to make. Because this is the only question which is remotely relevant to your claim. Tfl guidance is not to: TFL will also fine you for entering a bus lane, except where there is a broken line and an arrow indicating that you can move across. Again, I invite anyone who doubts this to try it and see what happens.

Very true, but still made me smile

These have started sprouting around East Dulwich! “…there is no poop fairy” 👏

I’m not sure (so stand to be corrected), but I think it’s an investment pot to fund projects tackling the impacts of climate change over the next decade or two. If you email your councillor I’m sure they could give you more info.

I'm mainly here to stop attempts at spreading misinformation from a monomaniac. Recent examples include: Misrepresentations of research into the Railton Road LTN False claims that Southwark Council's own guidance sates LTNs should only be established in the North of the Borough Irresponsible suggestions that TFL guidance is that individuals may drive in a bus lane when turning left. Unevidenced claims that Southwark Council are breaking the law by introducing controlled parking schemes for the purpose of income generation. etc... I feel it's important that this stuff shouldn't go unchallenged, as I would like this forum to be a place for good faith debate.

Of course not, because it's just deflection. The real issue is that a handful of people are still furious about changes which were made to the road layout in Dulwich village 4 years ago. But ultimately, there is no 'foul play' or conspiracy, just a set of decisions which one is perfectly entitled to agree or disagree with. I have never taken screen shots of things Rockets has said and then posted them as images in another thread so they appear out of context. I don't need

Why not make a complaint to the Ombudsman so that they can investigate your allegations?

You really do seem to forget that my words are published and that anyone can go back and read them in context.... and so are yours. Taking a screenshot of a comment from a different thread and reposting it out of context into a new one you've set up is not very subtle.

To be clear, I was talking about the establishment of the LTN as the suggestion was that CPZs were being used to raise money for 'eye catching projects'. The Dulwich LTN was established through funding from the UK governments Emergency Active Travel fund initially, as I've stated above. I also stated on the same thread more than once, that the use of any surplus raised through road charges can be used for activities specified in Section 55 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (as amended); road safety and public realm improvements etc., "including things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc". Unfortunately for you, my words can be read in context for everyone to see. But why are you cross posting from the multiple posts you've set up to moan about the LTN, controlled parking and your getting caught in a bus lane? It's just impossible to keep up and feels like more kicking up dust / deflection. We know you don't like the square, moan on one of the threads you created about the LTN. We know you disapprove of controlled parking - moan on the thread you created for that and try to keep it focussed. We know you don't approve of getting fined for driving in bus lanes - just try not to do that, yeh?

Why don't you appeal the fine from Southwark and see what happens. There is zero reason to enter the bus lane before turning into Overhill - it's a one way street and the turn is not tight.

I defy anyone to look at the picture above and claim that there is any reason to cross the bus lane unless you're driving in it before making the turn into Overhill. Overhill is a one way street and the turn is wide.

You think he didn't' get a fine for using the bus lane prior to turning into Overhill Road? Maybe he's posted across several threads on behalf of someone else this happened to. OK, I'll rephrase: Drive in a TFL bus lane before turning left, and you'll get a fine from TFL.

I've addressed this on the LTN thread.

We now have multiple threads about an individual having got caught driving in a bus lane and how this is not a consequence of their actions, but somehow a Southwark Council conspiracy. ...it's rather embarassing.

Drive in a bus lane and you'll get a fine from TFL just as you did from Southwark.

Do it. Drive into the bus lane before turning left and see if TFL issue you with a fine, exactly as Southwark did. Or alternatively, just don't drive in the bus lane.

"Road safety and public realm improvements would include things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc." (👆🏾this one) Road safety and public realm improvements would include things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc. ...and again, this is a thread about CPZ. Not an LTN introduced 4 years ago. Not about someone being annoyed they got caught in a bus lane.

You didn't read my last post. Read it again.

I said the Dulwich LTN was initially funded by central government. I also pointed out that yes, surplus could be used for filtered streets, public realm improvements etc. I linked to the detailed regulations which lays out the detail. Honestly, this is tedious. If you think the council is introducing a CPZ for the purposes of generating income, or that they are allocating money from the surplus in ways that break the regulations, then you should make a complaint to the Local Government & Social Care Ombudsman; rather than the constant speculation, conspiracy and innuendo. All this because you got caught in a bus lane

This is what you said: TFL guidance is not that they give you 20 metres grace if turning left into a junction across a bus lane. Try it. You will get fined (again).

Literally it has been pointed out that yes, surplus can be used for various things including filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces multiple times. You've been linked to the relevant legislation, you've been linked to Southwark's budget. Now that information has landed (several pages later 🙄) you seem to think you've uncovered some secret conspiracy. You do understand that all the words people have written are recorded right and that LA spending and regulation is not hidden. We now have people trying to suggest that because they got fined for driving in a bus lane that it's somehow relevant to a CPZ and changes made to a junction 4 years ago. I would suggest that the simpler explanation is that they got fined for driving in a bus lane because they were driving in a bus lane. The council cannot introduce a CPZ for the purposes of generating income. If you think that this is what they're doing, then you should make a complaint to the Local Government & Social Care Ombudsman.

If you're really interested in local authority funding / budgets, why don't you look at the publicly available financial statements published online and / or write to your councillor? Despite what some believe, there is no great secrecy. I understand that you don't like the changes to road layout introduced several years ago, but it's really not linked to controlled parking or enforcement of bus lanes in the way you think (i.e. some sort of conspiracy). Southwark are fairly clear about the rationale for a CPZ (whether you agree or not is completely different) and the fact that a monomaniac got caught in a bus lane is not really relevant to any of this.