Earl Aelfheah

This is ridiculous. Let’s stick to your second attempt to minimise the issue of regular car crashes locally instead of constantly jumping around / kicking up dust as you always do. You provided a screen shot centred on an area covering a 1.1km stretch of lordship lane, stretching roughly from the junction of East Dulwich Grove down to the junction with Landells road (missing all the major junctions) and 2.8km across (approximately 1.5 km to either side of it. You pointed out that there were ‘only’ 46 recorded crashes over the course of the year. Almost one a week, across a tiny area, that excludes the key junctions. Why don’t you explain how that is not a problem worthy of discussion?

Rather than to take the bait and allow you to distract further. Why don't we stick to your 1.1km stretch of Lordship lane between the junction with East Dulwich Grove and Landells Road (and the area roughly 1.5 km to either side of it). A collision almost weekly. Would you accept they are therefore a regular occurrence locally, or not? (Bare in mind this doesn't include the junctions of LL and goose green, LL and Barry road, East Dulwich Road and Barry Road, or LL and the S. Circular, and is only for those collisions recorded) Do you think that's a problem worthy of discussion? Or that to to suggest it's a problem is 'hyperbole' and an example of 'rabid ideology'? You have said that you're not trying to minimise the issue of collisions. I think people can make their own judgement on that.

You’ve taken a 1km stretch of Lordship Lane (walkable in 10 minutes), which excludes all major junctions, in an attempt to minimise the number of car crashes happening regularly. Still, even then there is a reportable collision almost weekly. And you’re suggesting that to consider that a problem is hyperbolic and just an example of ‘rabid ideology’? What is ‘rabid ideology’ is an individual obsessed with the supposed ‘menace’ of push bikes and the dangers they pose, yet at the same time determined to minimise / downplay the demonstrable impact of regular car collisions.

You're now saying 46? It's going down! Feels very much like there is some minimising going on here tbh. The screenshot above has been selected to exclude four of the main junctions (and major crash sites) locally - at the plough, goose green, lordship Lane / S Circular and Peckham Rye / E Dulwich Grove. Obviously the number of crashes reported depends on the area you look at, which is why I've been specific about it. In an area 5km by 2km, centred on SE22 there were 273 crashes in 2022. What is the size of the area that you have included that has 89, or 46 crashes, or whatever number it is you've tried to get as low as possible? [Edited to add] I used the google maps measurement tool; The area you’ve looked at is tiny, about 2.8km wide (which includes a couple of parks) and just 1.1km long; covering a tiny stretch of Lordship Lane chosen to exclude all major junctions (where it meets E Dulwich Road at Goose Green, Barry Road at the Plough, and the South Circular). You walk that in about 10 minutes. Despite this, and despite the fact that the map already displays only a subset of all crashes, there is still almost 1 a week. There is no possible way one could not describe that as a regular occurrence. If you had milk delivered 46 weeks of the year, you would describe it as a regular delivery.

The area you’re examining looks quite small from the screenshot. I think the area displayed may depend on the resolution / settings of your monitor. I measured the area I looked at using Google map tool. In an area 5km by 2km centred on SE22 there were 273 crashes recorded in 2022, with the caveat that (as exdulwicher notes), this is only a small number of recorded accidents. In reality there are more. Any way you cut it, and anyway one may try to minimise it, there are clearly regular collisions happening locally.

No I haven't. A car crash was reported to have occurred more than 5 times a week (on average) in a local area of 5km by 2km in 2022. That is not speculation, it is a fact. A car crash involves a car hitting something or someone. The data shows that this is a common occurrence locally.

Well yes, that's correct. But if you are addressing a question of how common car crashes are locally (in response to a suggestion that it's not really a problem), then it's instructive to look at the number of reported crashes. Also, I didn't just look at a marker on a map, I used the google measurement tool. The fact is that in an area of just 5km by 2km there were more than 5 reported crashes a week on average in 2022. I think that shows that driving a car into something or someone is a common (weekly... almost daily) occurrence locally.

Well that's one or two every week. I would say that if people are driving a car into someone or something every week in the immediate area, that's a pretty common occurrence, yes. And those serious accidents often end in deaths or serious injuries, which have a catastrophic impact. Even one is too many. [edited to add] I just checked this. I don't know where you got a figure of 89 from. If you do a search for 'SE22' and filter for '2022', there are 273 crashes. That's only those that are reported of course and is still more than 5 a week That covers an area approximately 5km x 2km. If you think that 5 people driving a car into something or someone every week is not enough to say that it's a common occurrence, I think you are wrong and that yes, you are minimising it.

For anyone who doubts that people driving cars into things and people is not an issue locally (as has been implied on this thread already), you can search the crash map here and see just how common it is: https://www.crashmap.co.uk/Search

🤔 How would one come to the conclusion that people are trying to minimise 30,000 ksi's and then suggesting the real problem is push bikes. How would one do that? 🤨

These statistics are truly shocking and should immediately give people drawing false equivalence with the ‘menace’ of push bikes pause for thought. It won’t of course.

Imagine actually trying to minimise 30,000 deaths and serious injuries. And then suggesting that the ‘real’ problem is people on push bikes. What is wrong with you? The degree of tribalism that makes this possible is almost pathological.

That someone could take exception at the suggestion that almost 30K KSIs is too many is incredible. The fact that one might take the suggestion as some sort of personal slight is extremely sad. As I said, the amount of destruction (yes, even just locally) caused by careless driving has become normalised / accepted as a part of life. This is perfectly evidenced by those who immediately jump to minimise the harms caused by motor vehicles, even quibbling about whether 30,000 constitutes a number in the 'tens of thousands' or not. And of course, inevitably we have people drawing false equivalence with the 'dangers' of push bicycles. We really need to stop this nonsense. If you cannot agree that more needs to be done to address the level of destruction caused by careless and dangerous driving, then there is something deeply wrong with you in my opinion. Look at those pictures at the top of the thread and show me where someone travelling on a push bike has caused similar damage.

Why are there people on this forum absolutely obsessed with the danger posed by people on push bikes, but always seeking to minimise the seriousness of almost 30,000 dead or seriously injured people each year in the UK alone, caused by the careless use of motor vehicles? It's so weird. Referring to 30,000 KSIs as in the 'tens of thousands' (which it is) and suggesting it's too high and we should seek to do more to reduce that figure, is considered 'hyperbolic'. WTAF? I think it perfectly illustrates the point that: You could say that 30,000 is not 'tens of thousands', but that would make you look very stupid. would 40,000 be a figure in the 'tens of thousands' in your mind? What about '50,000'? What do you understand as 'tens of thousands'?

So tens of thousands killed or seriously injured then. As I said? Where is the hyperbole?

100%. Plus tens of thousands of killed or seriously injured each year. The level of destruction caused by careless and dangerous driving has become almost normalised / accepted as just a fact of life. More needs to be done.

Really sorry to hear about this.

teapot

You only have to look at what's happening in Spain to see the impacts of climate change. It's great that city mayors are actually trying to do use their power and influence to accelerate our transition to a more sustainable, low carbon future. Talk of 'the Khant' and of Bolsheviks betrays the rabbit hole you've clearly lost yourself in. Take off the tin foil hat and step away from Twitter would be my advice.

So we've established that 'pavements which are never cleared' are in fact regularly cleared, and that the real issue is autumn / trees? Any other seasons we're unhappy with?

Three - I don’t have any issues with reception

Seems a bit late as others have said - although don't appear like unreasonable standards to have imposed had they done it at least a decade ago. Also a bit weird when they're still allowing other bits of laissez faire development - including developments of glorified shed conversions in back gardens (for example).

I had another case of a postie trying to hand me a recorded delivery package for a completely different street. Luckily I clocked it before he jumped back in his van and managed to hand it back. I get the impression that they're under a lot of pressure to drop and run - perhaps it's being target driven?

Automatic traffic counter. They're monitoring traffic volumes

More Twitter ‘war on motorists’ conspiracy nonsense leaking into the EDF. 🙄