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There’s a Poundland on Denmark Hill and Rye Lane already. Three stores all within a mile of each other sees like overkill

Just what the Lane needs. That and a couple more pizza places ;-)

The designs look great! Would be really good to pedestrianise North Cross Road and get some good landscaping in. The more we can create spaces designed around people instead of cars, the better.

The headline of that Telegraph article, starts "War on Motorists.." Seems reliable.

Vehicle counts show that Dulwich Village has less traffic than before the measures. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/streetspace/traffic-data-analysis

I am speculating, but I imagine they're allowing it to fall into such a state of disrepair that they can get permission to knock it down, get change of use and build something more profitable?

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Wow, this is a bad tempered thread. Are the people of ED okay indeed?

Thanks for the warning.

It's not an issue in some parts of London (City and Camden for example), where they've marked out on street parking bays and worked with the companies to ensure that there are fines / bans for those who don't use them. The problem here is that as much as people don't like them on the pavement, many would not like them on the road either (loss of parking). Personally, I would make sure that every street had at least one space for a car club car, and one or two for hire bikes - on the road (not the pavement).

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Ooh nice. Thanks for the heads up.

If every street had a couple of spaces with electric bikes available, perhaps we could lose some of the many cars littering the place.

Create on street parking bays (don't put them on the pavement) . Have a couple on every street to start with. Then work with the companies to fine those who don't park them in a marked bay.

It's not a vote, it's not a referendum... It's a consultation and will be used along with data to make a decision. That said, there is almost no information on the website about what is actually proposed. Have I missed something? I can't even see where it says buses will be diverted and in which direction?

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I suspect the reason that Southwark haven't done this, is because of the inevitable protestations about 'loss of car parking'. So they end up on the pavement.

There aren't marked spaces on the pavement for hire bikes. Only for the scooters. Hire bikes can be left anywhere. If every street had a couple of marked bays in the road specifically for hire bikes, and you were fined by the bike provider for not leaving them in a bay (as with the scooters), then this would largely solve the problem. You have to have enough bays though, otherwise the bikes lose their usefulness / convenience.

There goes the neighbourhood!

I remember having it drummed into us constantly at school not to play in the gravel pits. I grew up in the early 80s, so perhaps it was due to the '76 generation's shenanigans.

People need to be able to control their dogs. If they can't, they shouldn't have them off the lead.

The answer is to provide marked, on street parking bays for them, as they do in Camden. There are none for the hire bikes and the scooter bays are for some reason on the pavement, not the road. Every street should have one or two parking spaces on the street marked out for hire bikes.

Hasn't parking on double yellow lines and / or across driveways always risked fines?

Thanks Rockets, that's helpful. I'm pretty dubious of Southwark News reports on LTNs, as they've run a campaign against them that's included very misleading, sometimes false reporting. It's a shame that they quote the report out of context, and don't link to it, but not that surprising perhaps. Reading the report, it sounds as though the issues with increased bus times referred to in the Southwark News headline were prior to the changes Southwark put in place in March. Although it does sound that Croxted road Northbound (whilst improving), may still be experiencing increased traffic. So perhaps the headline ought to be - a very successful traffic reduction scheme isn't 100% perfect and there continues to be monitoring and some adjustments being made. That is pretty shocking. But Rahx3 - even if you think Southwark News are running a campaign against LTNs it's pretty compelling what the TFL report says isn't it? Again this is from the TFL report that Cllr Leeming wanted to not be sent to residents before he redacted it.... Herne Hill is the best logical alternate route for northbound drivers who are otherwise unable to travel through Dulwich Village This has caused increased flows through this section of network resulting in increased congestion That's not spin or part of a misleading campaign - that statement comes from TFL about the cause of the Croxted Road problems - laying the blame clearly at the Dulwich Village LTN and it is categoric proof that the LTNs in Dulwich are causing the issues, which is the polar opposite of what your fellow LTN supporter Cllr Richard Leeming has been telling/misleading people about the traffic on Croxted Road. This is why Leeming was so desperate to redact the TFL report and said "this must not be sent to the residents". Why? Because it exposes the lies the council and councillors have been telling people about the impact of LTNs and shows that LTNs do cause displacement, do delay buses and do increase pollution in other areas. From day 1 the council have been manipulating everything to do with LTNs to paint them in a positive light and confirms what many of us have feared - that the council and pro-LTN supporters have been lying to people to defend the LTNs that create quiet roads for them and increase congestion for everyone else and that is a disgrace and the council and the pro-LTN supporters should be ashamed of themselves. I don't know how Cllr Leeming has the power to redact a tfl report. The fact that we can read it online suggests that hasn't happened. The point I was making is that Southwark have responded to the issues raised by tfl and made changes accordingly. The tfl report suggests that the tweaks made in March have been broadly successful and that they continue to work with Lambeth and Southwark. The fact is that data show a broadly positive impact on traffic reduction across the area and an increase in walking and cycling. The 'shocking' news is that they have continued to monitor and adjust the scheme, in order to improve it over time.

Not sure how anyone could really object to this. But I guess the usual pro-car dominance types will instinctually oppose.