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I am aware of a spate of penalty notices being handed out to cyclists in the City of London, but not locally? If this is happening then that is a good thing, however from what I have seen locally it is not having the desired deterrent effect.

Remind us, where did Rockets say they "absolutely hate" Dulwich Roads? Why the casual misrepresentation? We have legislation and penalties in place to address careless driving; there is virtually nothing to address that of careless cycling. The "solution" seems to be to wipe out all cars (totally unrealistic) and just ignore the growing cycling issue.

I have to repeat Rockets question as to how many accidents, collisions or RTAs Mal had been involved in, especially those where they have been at fault? It sits oddly with the frequent advisory tone to others. I still cannot understand why it is so problematic to look at the relatively recent issues associated with careless cycling. Recent because more people are cycling, especially those using e-bikes, hire or otherwise. How would you address some of the emerging problems with careless cycling?

Does anyone know what actually happened?

I don't want to take this off thread so briefly, in a recent S'wark Council Scrutiny session, a young guy presented on barriers to cycling and expressed perspectives/views on cycling that he felt were held in some communities that were a significant barrier to adopting cycling as a means of transport. These are not my views, but what have been raised by Southwark. They are keen to see a more ethnically/culturally diverse cycling demographic in the borough and are trying to find ways to make this happen. Currently, I am more concerned about the amount of careless cycling behaviour I am seeing at Dulwich Square.

This is a forum where views are expressed, I am not that interested in whether you find them interesting or not. The subject of the thread is cyclists taking over paths. If you want to discuss diversity in greater detail then start another thread on that. Again this evening, more cyclists running red lights at Dulwich Square.

Except this is really a forum for local ED issues. I suspect most forum members are responsible drivers and adhere to legal speed limits etc.. I very much doubt anyone on this thread supports dangerous or illegal driving, which seems to be your implication? On the other hand, there do seem to be growing local issues with careless cycling. I have witnessed this two nights running around Dulwich Square, where cyclists are running red lights at speed, and more. I get the impression certain posters on this forum do not see this as an issue at all. I also think there is an accident waiting to happen at that junction, because some cyclists are not cycling responsibly.

Two nights running, have witnessed cyclists going at top speed through Dulwich Sq cycle area, not slowing down or paying heed to pedestrians crossing. Saw several go through red lights at same junction. Another separate three forced pedestrians to stand aside while they cycled through the extremely narrow area reserved for pedestrians, next to the fenced off roadworks, adjacent to Dulwich Sq. They also ignored the cyclists on diversion sign. Not a great thing to do at night either.

I am all for residents clearing leaves, see my earlier post. But most won't. A few of us do. Do you?

Yeah, okay DKHB, point made. However, I have not seen the same level of leaf drop, as in lying on pavements, in DV as around ED and I don't think we have more trees. Perhaps it is just that DV pavements are cleared earlier.

I agree with all this. This policy should have been made at the outset, when loft conversions became a 'thing' or not at all.

Looking at the list link posted by KK (thank you), I cannot see mention of Lordship Lane? However, it says Dulwich Village and Dulwich Common? So does this mean that a main road in the wealthiest part of the borough gets leaf fall cleared but Lordship Lane does not? It looks as though leaves on many residential streets will not be cleared at all? I rarely see residents clearing leaves, do we need a campaign to get this going?

Malumbu but you replied to my post with the following: "Perhaps you could do more to championing this mode of transport, rather than demonising cyclists, including white middle class males." So what did you mean by the above, exactly?

A local Labour councillor said there is an issue- do you think they were making it up? It is Southwark Labour who have identified an issue and are looking for ways to resolve it. Are you saying they are demonising white middle class males?

Maybe you need to present your evidence to Southwark Council scrutiny, as there is a view that in this borough (not the borough you live in, I know) there is an issue.

At the latest Environment scrutiny session very interesting to hear a Peckham Labour Councillor complaining about cyclists on pavements, next to cycle lanes, ringing at pedestrians on the pavement to move out of the cyclists way. She also comments on negative impacts of e-bikes. There was also an interesting presentation on cultural barriers to cycling and it seems we have a very long route before it becomes the preferred mode of transport for anyone other than middle class white men. Other barriers mentioned, like high bike theft. Another councillor said he had given up owning a bike as he had so many stolen in recent years, in London. So there may be more places to store bikes in the street, but will they be secure? Back to paving, clearly if councillors are expressing reservations in scrutiny meetings there is a real and growing issue with cycling behaviour.

Ah yes, it can only be that; and pigs will fly.

Spot on. We need councillors who are interested in serving the area rather than using their role to earn brownie points with their party at national level. The partisan nature of local politics is a problem. Quite apart from the above, the street blocking planters local to me are now beginning to look a complete mess and really shabby.

If barely any cyclists do 20mph then why the huge issue imposing it? With the advent and proliferation of e-bikes it is daft not to. Much easier and less confusing to have a speed limit that applies to all road users. But, since this thread is about cycling on pavements, let me add that it is also really important that able-bodied cyclists dismount and walk when on single use footpaths. Over this weekend I have seen so many cyclists weaving in and out of pedestrians on pavements. I am so glad that in this regard, in the Vanity Square area at least, Southwark Council have realised there is a real and growing issue with this.

I think that those who are disabled are generally likely to support the idea that cyclists able to dismount and walk on pavements should do so, as a moral obligation. Able bodied cyclists weaving around pedestrians on the pavement can make pedestrians and those less able bodied feel at risk and uncomfortable. This is just common sense and it seems Southwark agrees. I think they are also likely to support Lime bikers dismounting when on single use pavement. With their proliferation, we are seeing Lime riders on pavements much more frequently, as well as Lime bikes left scattered on pavements- a further block for other pavement users, especially those who are disabled. One of the pro cycling posters on here has in the past stated that disability scooters should not be allowed in cycle lanes as they would slow everyone down and they would not be able to do their commute or time rides as fast as they would like. They felt mobility scooter users should instead use bus lanes! I obviously hope that sense of priorities is not shared by you and your chums.

What an odd tangent? If anyone is cycling and able to dismount in a pedestrian area then they should. Clearly, if unable to dismount because of a disability then they won't. I would also make an exception for people on mobility scooters. But is your point really relevant? Presumably Southwark Council don't think so or they would not have put out advisory signs saying "Cyclists dismount". There is a very simple fix, adopted elsewhere Campaigns

Currently advisory but presumably would not be put out unless an issue- I recently saw a number of cyclists weaving in and out of pedestrians in a small space, when they really could have dismounted. I take it you support this type of cycling behaviour and see no issue with it? You seem to suggest that the signs are nothing more than a cynical, box ticking exercise by the council?

In response, Southwark have put up signs around Vanity Square, asking cyclists to dismount in the pedestrian area. That suggests there is an issue.

Seems Southwark Council don't think it is hyperbole, else why the sudden appearance of advisory signs and stencils? Glad you confirm you do not support cycling on pavements. I am clearly seeing a lot more of this than are you.

Nothing Earl, to stop you responding directly to me with thread-relevant thoughts on local cycling on pavements? Do you support this, yes or no?