Ali Mafi

I wonder what we would be talking about if the vote was to remain! There are so many things I just don?t get 1 if we do a tarif free deal with China or The USA it is totally logical to assume it will be a two way deal so I?ll leave you to guess who will sell more to whom! What exactly are we going to sell more of to China? 2 The one thing the PM has confirmed and The DUP will not budge on is an open border with Ireland BUT The EU simply does not allow an open border with a non member so please someone explain to me what the choice is. Is it an open border so any EU citizen can fly to Dublin and just walk across the border or a closed border in contravention of The Good Friday Agreement which is likely to lead to violence and terrorism! I really feel sorry for PM , as incompetent as she appears, you need to have a death wish to take the job of PM

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would agree with you on Davidson Ali, except > that she is a fierce ramainer and I can not see > the wider Tory Party backing her. And David Davis > is no guarantee for the interim either. He has to > win several rounds of the Tory's leader selection > process, with members only voting in the final > round. But you forget that 90% of Tories in Parliament are remainers Trust me Ms Davidson is binding her time before striking and remember also that if it was not for her miraculous results in Scotland we would now have Corbyn in No 10 propped up by The SNP. I'll go back to my point less than 1/3 of those eligible to vote voted for Brexit and it is a well established fact that it was the younger generation who did not vote and that the majority are remainers I am a staunch Tory supporter who hates this particular government BUT I do not think they are all numb nuts The dilemma and the reason why they will not hang their hat on any particular hook is that they know the fact stated above and that a hard Brexit would not only be economically suicidal but also electorally but they have the Euro sceptics and the Brexiters who also need pacifying I am no fan of May but I can see her problem, damned if she does and damned if she doesn't As for the thread about being positive being the catch phrase of Brexiters , positive about what ? The slowest growing economy in the G7? The worst health service? The worst support for the elderly? The greatest number of potholes in our roads? The worst and by, some margin, the most expensive railway system ? It's just a ridiculous sound bite . We need things fixed not pretending that they are ok

Tanks

You have a point Loz but the country is in a manure because we, the electorate, have placed it there. One of the problems with voters is that many believe politicians actually can deliver what they promise. The reality is that many of them want to but can't so instead they settle for saving their own skin. May called an election because she thought 1 She would walk it without effort and 2 she would obliterate Corbyn for once and for all. The problem , as far as The Tories are concerned is not a question of her abilities etc it's simply whether their seats are safe with her as leader and they are , quite evidently, not . She will be kept until a safe seat is found for Ruth Davidson as potential future leader. If May does not last that long it will be Davis as an interim leader You have heard Davis state he wants to resign after March 2019' That's a clear signal that he is available to save us from Boris but with no long term ambitions My prediction is on Jan 2022 we will either still be in The EU or out with a Norway type deal and Ms Davidson will be our Prime Minister and she is the only one I can think of to save us from Corbyn

I wonder what the newspapers would have been filled with had we voted to remain? I'm a remainder but absolutely sick to the back teeth with it . 63% of those eligible to vote voted and 52% of them voted leave that's just under a third The majority of those who did not vote are youngsters who are mostly remainders but could not be bothered and MAY now have to live with the consequences. We have today had confirmation from The White House that a trade deal is absolutely not a given. Any way consider this the Pound has been as much as 30% lower than its pre Brexit level which is significantly more than the tariff levels , so why is every country on the planet not rushing to take advantage of the weak Pound to buy whatever it is that we are going to sell loads of to the rest of the world when, potentially, we lose the customers who buy 40% of what we sell? If you are in any sort of business would you tell your biggest customer/ supplier to go fish?? We are in this mess for a single reason The two main political parties are both aware of the above facts( no they are not all brainless morons) , they know a hard Brexit would be political suicide but they also need to take the referendum into account. The classic rock and hard place scenario and the leaders of the other 27 nations are fully aware of this dilemma our political parties face and are fobbing us off with sound bites while they figure something out. Just go back to May's speech in Florence. What she wants is a single market and custom union deal but does NOT want it to be called that . Sadly we WILL leave but in name only mainly because all other pathetic attempts to woo the young voters such as freezing tuition fees at the current astronomical level, building 5000 new homes a year etc is just not going to hack it I have not met a single one of the passionate , obsessed Brexiters who can give a rational explanation as to why they feel so strongly without relying on ridiculous Faragisms such as : " we want our country back, we want control of our borders etc" Please look up the word control , we will never control our borders in the true sense, we can stop people coming in but we can't entice people we need . I know of one hospital that has 600 nursing vacancy and as a result of Brexit the number of nurses coming here has fallen by 86% in one year. Well done us