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I was a bit confused about seeing the number 40 coming the other way but thanks for clarifying Northernmonkey :-)

Hi Heartblock - when I cycled my children to school this morning we went from Lordship Lane up to the lights by Townley road. It was at 8am and the traffic was absolutely fine. At the lights by Townley road there was a queue of 3 cars when the light turned green. At what time did the the traffic get bad?

Has anyone got any experience of putting a roof box on a hire car? Is it allowed and or possible to get a car either with roof bars or to put your own roof bars on a hire car?

I've had a brilliant idea to solve the problem. DRIVE LESS!!!! I think the one thing that everyone agrees on this thread is that there is too much pollution caused by people driving. No-one has said that they want to see more cars on the road. Or have I missed those posts? So, what you should be doing fellow posters is focussing on the root cause of the problem which is too many people driving and not enough people using public transport and active transport (walking and cycling). Am I the only one who is keeping their fingers crossed that we will get the congestion charge implemented soon so that people who pollute are financially penalised for their pollution?

Dear Rockets, A quick reply to your post above, saying that: "Welcome to the most entertaining and engaging thread on the forum and we appreciate your input - things get a bit heated on here but we all love each other dearly!" I may be the only one with this view, and if so I apologise for raising this, but I'm afraid that I find your constant postings and put downs of other peoples' posts very aggressive. I for one have not dared to post on this thread, with what I would hope to be useful and interesting comments, in fear that you will slap me down because they are different to your views. Clearly you feel very strongly about your views on the LTNs as shown by the fact that you've posted in the high 100s of times on this thread alone. But please, take a look back on your posts in the light of the day ask yourself whether you'd like to be the recipient of them and whether it's fair for you to drown out people who have different views to you. It's OK for other people to have their own views, and just because they are not the same as yours does not make them invalid or wrong. Maybe I am wrong in hoping for a respectful grown-up discussion where it's OK for people to have different points of view and try and find common ground between their views. At the moment, this thread is like a playground shouting competition which is not helpful, enjoyable or even particularly interesting. Yours, Very frustrated of East Dulwich

Dulwich central. Thank for your post. I'm getting really annoyed with certain people trying to push their divisions and making out that people are 'pro-closure' or 'pro-car'. Really peoples - grow up and act like adults. I decided that there are too many cars (and vans) on our streets so I'll do what I can and stop driving. I'm middle-aged overweight lady but I get it that I can't carry on driving in London as I used to. if I can do it then pretty much everyone else can. the problem is not the ltns it's the big increase in driving in London over the last years that cause all the traffic. what is needed is less people driving cars and vans. What do you want to do peoples? congestion charge?, increase road tax? better cycle lanes? tax on delivery vans? or do you want to just type and moan and make divisions between peoples. Grow up people and actually try and make a difference to cut down on traffic rather than endlessly post here and achieve a fat 0. rant over

@rockets - I'm sure people don't like walking and cycling in the rain. i don't like it either - but i do it, because i've finally worked out its the right thing to do. is it more important that i get to do what i like than choking childrens lungs up with exhaust fumes. don't blame the council - blame the selfish b**tards in their cars. now i'm really grumpy :-)

i am really grumpy today - the number of people driving today along EDG was disgraceful - parents driving children to school, young healthy people sitting just by themselves in cars. all of them with there engines running. if I can walk then i bet most of them could walk, cycle or get the bus. humans are so selfish - polluting our neighbourhood just so they don't get a bit wet. interestingly, lots of children walking, cycling, scooting along calton avenue - if they can do it why can't the grown ups? sorry everyone, rant over. Have a nice day!

penguin68 - yes your right - we need more buses so only old people and disabled people have to drive. the rest of us get off our arses and use public transport.

I don't think many people disagree that we all need a lot less car journeys in our cities (more difficult in the countryside). So what we need is more buses and things like Boris bikes. Then disabled and old people should be able to drive if they have got a proper blue sticker showing they can't use buses and tradespeople get permits to drive. the rest of us get off our arses and use public transport. if they can do it in Scandanavia then we can do it, right? Not sure why its taken 63 pages of comments to get to that answer - I knew I was right :-)

@Rockets - you make some good points here and I can see where you are coming from and I agree that doing nothing is not an option. It breaks my heart when I see the levels of pollution along EDG with children walking along the pavement. But i guess people are too selfish to only use their cars when they absolutely need to. If they did that then we would not need any of this.

I was talking to a childrens doctor at Kings who was very supportive of anything that can be done to reduce car use because of the damage to childrens lungs that she sees on a daily basis in the hospital. Please tell all of your friends that if they need to drive then turn off their engines when they are not moving. I don't know why the council doesn't put big signs up to tell people to turn their engines off if they are stuck in traffic. As I was walking along EDG this morning every car sitting in traffic had their engines turned on. Disgusting needless pollution damaging our childrens health.