legalalien

Southwark Cyclists? tracker, which I came across earlier, says plans have changed. There was a decision made in favour of closure but no TMO seems to have been put in place. There is another batch of schools streets due to be announced so could be in that. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eBxvYUYgFti9qYPZtl8FX0jTs74CnFHqaOKLk4UAwgw/htmlview

Snowy - I was more thinking that while the Lambeth LTNs seem to be working more or less OK at the moment, that may not be the case when the Southwark ones dump a load of traffic onto Norwood Road and the middle of Herne Hill. If major traffic drama ensues then the Lambeth councillors will be put under pressure. Sure they support active travel but they still need to keep some roads open and enable emergency services to get around the place. It?s the adverse effect on buses and emergency services that potentially force reversals... hence the potential for different councils to come into conflict despite a common commitment to traffic reduction...

But they are officially putting a School Street on Hillsboro road as an experimental measure. Maybe there?s a one School Street per school limit!

I know lots of you will be aware of this already - I wasn?t. The Council publishes a Forward Plan on its website at http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/l635/Printed%20plan%20Forward%20Plan%20November%202020.pdf?T=4 Things to watch out for: Covid-19 ? Post lockdown highway schemes Batch 5 To approve a number of highway schemes across the borough will assist social distancing and promote cycle and pedestrian safety - decision due in either October or November - the docts seem slightly inconsistent on this. Implementation of Southwark School Streets Batch 3 To approve a number of highway schemes across the borough to assist with social distancing and promote cycle and pedestrian safety near schools - again decision due in November Equality Framework review of the approach to equality and adoption of equality framework - decision due October

Just wanted to make sure everyone on this thread is aware of the decision for an experimental school street closure on Melbourne Grove http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?ID=7190

It?s going to become even more complicated soon as the traffic displaced from DV and Turney/Burbage goes over the border into Lambeth, I suspect. I gather there are some skirmishes between Bromley and Croydon going on.

Well I?m now going to have to read all the recent decisions as a matter of principle. This one http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?ID=7190 is going to put double yellow lines in a number of Dulwich streets (subject to the formal TMO process) and also provides for experimental traffic orders for a number of School Streets, including Alleyns Junior School, the charter school in Melbourne Grove and Harris Girls, among others, as I read it... something else that had passed me by... due it?s incredibly informative title... Non-strategic Traffic and Highway improvement projects (20/21 Batch 1)

I?ve worked it out - it wasn?t included in the original decision on 1 Sept but has been hidden in the small print of another decision relating to other parts of Southwark Batch 4 on 30 Sept. http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s91050/Report%20-%20C19%20Post%20lockdown%20highway%20schemes%20Batch%204.pdf. This also includes one of the Peckham b Rye bus gates. How on earth any ordinary person is supposed to keep track of what?s going on is beyond me...! It doesn?t inspire confidence.

Rockets, that?s what I thought - which means the traffic will now go past Rosendale School, into the massive traffic snarl that currently exists in Norwood Road , or put more down LL. That?s insane. Any idea about the additional bus gate referred to in my post above?

Yes, spotted it there this morning but it seems to have popped up after the batch of documents that accompanied the decision notice at http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50023654&Opt=0 which is where I had been looking... it?s not mentioned in the table to the report that is approved in the decision notice either as far as I can tell. Surely it can?t just be randomly added into the TMO having not been included in that decision process? Is there a supplementary decision?

The experimental orders include the relocation of a cycle hangar - hence ref to section 63 in the order. exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jazzhino Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Judicial Review > > > > > > There needs to be a legal challenge by means of > a Judicial Review. I have obtained legal advice > > which confirms that in order to legally > enforceable the roadblocks, there needs to be a > > second order under section 9 and 10 of the Road > Traffic Act 1984. > > > > Furthermore, the 15 October 2020 order > experimental orders under sections 9, 10 and 63 > of > > the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 can be > challengeable within six weeks. In the the first > > instance a pre-action protocol letter would need > to be served on the council. > > A few points: ETRO is already made under Sections > 9 and 10, there isn't a second order. > ETROs are made under sections 9 and 10 of the > RTRA84 and sections 22 and 23 of the LATOR(EW) The > provisions of regulations 7 (publication of > proposals) and 8 (objections) shall not apply to > an experimental order. > > (2) No provision of an experimental order shall > come into force before the expiration of the > period of seven days beginning with the day on > which a notice of making in relation to the order > is published. > > (3) The order making authority shall comply with > the requirements of Schedule 2 as to the making of > deposited documents relating to an experimental > order available for public inspection. > > (4) Deposited documents shall be so made > available, at the times and at the places > specified in the notice of making in relation to > the experimental order, for a period beginning > with the date on which that advertisement is first > published and ending when the order ceases to have > effect. > > -------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------- > > You've also noted Section 63 of the Road Traffic > Regulation Act 1984 - that refers to providing > cycle parking / cycle stands so not sure what that > has to do with things?

And shortsighted - I suspect the last person to take the "basket of deplorables" line regrets it somewhat.

So - where do we think the traffic displaced by the next round of Dulwich Village closures will end up? As an aside, I hadn?t appreciated that there was now a bus gate at the Burbage/ Gallery intersection - don?t think that appeared on the maps that accompanied the Southwark decision but is included in the traffic order?

FWIW I?m all in favour of Parklets and cycle hangars as long as they are strategically positioned to benefit those who need them and not those with side gates and large back yards - and as long as they don?t remove much needed parking near small businesses. Mind you, I do read the Daily Mail from time to time - I try to rotate my news source each day so as not to become too comfortable in my views. I?d recommend it.

Serra I think she said schools AND the Dulwich Estate.. am still watching the call to see what happens on the clean air agenda item so can?t check...

It will be up to everyone to keep expressing views and make sure something happens. But it didn?t sound like a blanket ?no change, let?s wait the full period and see? as advocated by the clean air etc lady ... the door seems to be open to some immediate tweaks to address the major problems (at least that?s what I heard, although that could be confirmation bias at work)

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quite a positive message from the council leader > about addressing concerns to find the best way > forward. Yes I thought so too. And thanks Dougie!

Off topic slightly, but I?d hate to have my work video calls streamed and stored on YouTube.

Depending on where you have to get to near Old Street, basing yourself in Herne Hill and getting the Thameslink to Farringdon (then walking) could also be a thing - that's a 16 min trip on the train.

I believe there have been some socially distanced consultations /discussions about the council's Climate Emergency planning (this report is also on today's agenda). http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s91295/Report%20Second%20Environment%20Scrutiny%20Commission%20report%20on%20the%20Climate%20Emergency%20Strategy.pdf Not sure who with. Interesting that in the climate emergency context there's a clear focus on the need to map deprivation date and overlay this with emssions data to ensure that the more deprived are not hardest hit by any solutions.

It's Southwark Council - if you have a look at the last few pages of the "our healthy streets" thread there are links to relevant documents. There is a further council meeting about it today.

Just did the street space thing but wasn?t asked about whether interested in other stuff. For anyone looking at a degree / masters in local government, the democratic deficit caused by COVID could be a thing?

AylwardS Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Legalalien I?m not sure if this is what you want > but I commented on the Dulwich Healthy Streets > previously on here and I?ve since had emails about > something else I may be interested in. > > > https://dulwichvillagestreetspace.commonplace.is/a > bout > > As I recall when I added my comment I was asked if > I?d like to know of other things happening in the > area. Thanks. Earlier today I managed to log in to some sort of Southwark account. Seems I was signed up to my Southwark, anything dulwich related and a couple of other things but I have never received any comms. I updated my preferences to cover everything so let?s see (I haven?t received anything at all since I signed up years and years ago and I do check my spam folder regularly, so let?s see. I?ll try your approach as well....

That fact-checker thing at point 8 looks absolutely shocking.

You can?t really tell whether it is a Tory strategy or a function of the fact that ?safe? Labour stronghold councillors feel less need to be accountable to popular opinion though? Either way, if the result is more independent councillors I am a fan.