England World Cup 1974

[malumbu]

We've reflected on 66 and 70 and there is plenty of stuff on 96 at the moment.

Spare a thought for 73-74 where sadly it was two famous stalwarts - Bobby Moore and Peter Shilton, who got us kicked out (although some would argue it was the 0-0 against Wales).

Good footage here on the two Poland matches (one follows on automatically)

England being kicked out was unbelievable to me as a 12 year old.

[malumbu]

Think this is actually very relevant to today's England - the insistence of playing players when youth should be given a go. Discuss......

[red devil]

Youth is being given a go, it's the youngest squad in the Euro's and also the youngest England competitive tournament squad for 58 years. Discussion over...

[????]

It's always a clowns fault :)

[malumbu]

Well shame we weren't so young in 1974. A braver decison to drop Moore from the first leg and then Shilton from the second would have seen us through. Ramsey would have stayed longer, avoiding the embarasement of that dreadful Admiral kit. Revie would have stayed at Leeds. Clough would have gone elsewhere. Forest would have never won the European Cup. A stonge Leeds would have kept Liverpool in their place. We would done well in Germany, building on this in 1978. This would have given a boost to James Callaghan and Thatcher wouldn't have got in. Heysel wouldn't have happened and a strong Leed and less strong Liverpool would have dominated Europe for twenty years. Man U would have had a genearation of indifference. Terracing, cheap tickets and no Sky money (or the premiership) would mean that Chelski and Man C would yo you between the divisions. This would open the door to Arse and Spurs, but also smaller clubs - QPR, Palace, Ipswich etc would have some good seasons.

So sentimentality and lack of ruthlessness led to the mess we are in now.

[Alan Medic]

Man U did have a generation of indifference. Ipswich did have some good seasons. Were you on the sauce when you wrote that?

[red devil]

I fooking hope so... :)

[????]

Because Leeds always behaved well in Europe..........

[malumbu]

Sorry, all the small teams would have continued to have good seasons.