Its gonna be President Trump ..!!! ??

[????]

red devil Wrote:

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> 'Fess up Quids, was it you that used it on West

> Ham Online?...

> http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virt

> ue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/ :)

Haven't posted on there for yonks - place has gone to the dogs. Virtue Signalling on WHO is starting threads on how the EDF (not the forum) march through Luton went at the weekend :) ...it's where I learnt my Forum manners

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[Jeremy]

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> Is Donald Trump a fascist?

I think most of us realise you can't accurately describe him as such. But surely his campaign showed many echoes of fascism... the cult of personality, racism, excessive nationalism/patriotism. Threats to imprison his rival (and "jokes" about assassination) demonstrate a contempt for democracy. It's an understandable comparison.

[????]

I'm pretty appalled at Trump getting elected I'm a bit more ambivalent about Brexit but voted remain. The sanctimonious, emotive, 'grief' and general anti-democratic gnashing of teeth on right on social media (oh, and the Guardian obviously) has given me some small pleasure in both of these outcomes - silver linings eh

[miga]

I think his campaign showed that we are at a weird point in history where you can say any old crap and people will still vote for you. For every time he said "bad hombres" there was a picture of him eating a taco on his Twitter and saying he loves Mexicans. I think he said weird, inconsistent things, and that he's a puffed up demagogue, but he's not a classic racist. By identifying his campaign with racism I think Clinton scored an own goal.

[Tuffstuff100]

Dr. Ben Carson for HUD!? Jesus wept. This is embarrasing. He noteably said "health care is not a human right". I am now scared for every American.

[Jenny1]

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> Is Donald Trump a fascist? -

>

The problem is that Trump says a lot of things and promised to do a lot of things that are very reminiscent of fascism. So by some measures, yes, he can be called a fascist.

And I would argue that by pointing this out Aodhan O'Riordain isn't 'virtue signalling', but speaking out in a climate where most political leaders are too shocked and scared to 'call a spade a spade'.

[Jenny1]

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> anti-democratic gnashing of teeth

But it's quite possible to democratically elect a fascist, isn't it?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Gnashing of teeth isn't anti democratic is it? One can still voice displeasure, seems like a democratic right tbh

[Earl Aelfheah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thomas-mair-guilty-jo-cox-murder-terrorism-white-facist-fight-fascism-a7434751.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Jenny1]

Very timely article, rahrahrah, thanks for posting link.

[Earl Aelfheah]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/go-west-farage-plans-new-life-in-us-kbtt33v2k

Apparently farage (now that he 'has his country back') is swapping it for the US.

[jaywalker]

we are certainly in a post-fascist world. one of the dangers of 'history' is that it suggests patterns that are not there, framing a sense that we can see a path ahead on the basis for example, exactly, that this is not fascism. so what is going on is ignored because it does not fit with the possibility of 'educated' expectation. if it is not fascism, then it must just be democratic.

the majority of those contemplating voting for le pen (a large part of the electorate) know this only too well. they know they are not fascist and that it is just a necessary evil to vote for the NF and that this will turn out ok for France (or at least better than anything else could) and that all the foreigners they know are actually nice people and it is of great regret that it has come to this etc etc etc.

we need to call this out at EVERY moment, including any who see these trends as merely the expression of 'democracy' (how on earth can people use this term?) rather than the reactionary, stupid and inward-looking-ness it is.

[Seabag]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/go-west-farage-p

> lans-new-life-in-us-kbtt33v2k

> Apparently farage (now that he 'has his country

> back') is swapping it for the US.

Apparently he 'fears for his life'

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