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I don't see as how we are in a political mess- just more remoaner doom-mongering....the government is playing its cards close to its chest because there is 40 years of EU nonsense to plough through and there is no-one in a position to definitively point the direction from ANY party.

All this is going to take a lot of time and there are impatient fools out there- act in haste, repent at leisure

And you don't moan? Forty years plus of neo lefty non democratic blah blah rule.


So tell me in your parallel universe of the UK not joining the the Common market what would the UK have looked like?


How would we remember Heath? Would Thatcher have got in? With the likely continuation of the state intervening to support inefficient industries would the workers still have had a big say on the running of the country?


We can all play this game 'what if'


Here are some other scenarios


TUC voted for wage constraint in 1978 and a labour government stayed in power


A new treaty had been agreed on the Falklands so no war, and a wishy washy SDP had won the 1983 election


Scargill didn't consider himself above the law, had a proper ballot, and by a better timed strike brought the country to its knees in the winter of 1984. (in your scenario he would have been calling the shots with government so there would never have been a strike)


Neil Kinnock did not prematurely celebrate his expected election victory in 1992 and instead went on a charm offensive in particular getting the Sun to support him.


John Smith did not have a heart attack and after three successful terms handed onto Ed Milliband.


Gordon Brown had gone for an early election.


It's a fun and free pastime.


(I also play the game for football, what if Banks hadn't been ill, what if Bobby Moore had been replaced by England a bit earlier, what if the useless Chief Constable of South Yorks had never got the job etc.

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