Justice and Politics Against Democracy

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> ratty Wrote:

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> > It was the will of the misinformed people at

> one

> > moment in time. Thats about it.

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> How do you know they were misinformed? The people

> of Wales had a lot of money fro the EU and were

> told how to use it on hare-brained schemes. Same

> thing probably happened in the North. Londoners

> have benefited greatly from the free movement of

> extremely cheap labour and increases in house

> prices, and a bottomless pit of renters to fund

> their 2nd, 3rd etc mortgages. Self-serving bunch

> of champagne socialists...as per usual

It's unfair to say every Londoner is like that.

It's just there are lots of jobs and the economy

suits immigration. Maybe a separate solution is

required for London and the rest of the country.

[JohnL]

Law and Policy (twitter) "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, then this court must allow the appeal on Article 50"

He doesn't of course, it's an attempt to confuse :)

[Shaggy]

The Supreme Court judges won't be giving a verdict.

They will, however, probably hand down eleven judgments.

[jaywalker]

Probably only two - there will be a dissenting judgement almost for sure I'd think. But you can't stand too much alone on such things: there have to be recognition principles for what you say.

I wonder if the Welsh government's gambit might cause a surprise? As a child I could understand and support it :-), also very much the argument from the ex-pat QC that OF COURSE their rights are on the line and not to be over-ruled by our dire PM.

Wonderful institution and great people. Man of the match was Lord Pannick (by a country mile). I do fear for the Attorney General when it comes to selection for subsequent matches.

[malumbu]

Why all the ranting when there seems to have been an injection of common sense in recent times? My simplistic assumptions on many parts of the country who benefited from EU support, or had the low levels of immigration seem to be countered by those, well at least one on this forum, who has awarded them hero status, whilst tarring most of us in London as champagne socialists.

Its still all poo I hasten to add, but I have to grab the odd crumb of comfort. Right back under by duvet.

By the way ranting refers to those who are so angry about recent events, rather than us whingers/moaners.

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> The people of Wales had a lot of money fro the EU and were

> told how to use it on hare-brained schemes.

Such as:

?21M to upgrade Welsh railway stations

?30M plus to rejuvenate town centres in areas of high deprivation

?82M on road upgrades

?100M for new campus at Swansea University and to make it a centre of industrial excellence

?50M+ for high tech research in Welsh universities

?25M to subsidise costs for companies offering jobs to 16-24 year olds

?12M in tidal energy programmes

?83M to create 94,000 apprenticeships for young people in the next four years

?60M to create beneficial tourist and business links between Wales and Ireland

Overall, 2014-2020, ?2BN EU investment in Wales, including ?310m for Research and Innovation, ?198m to boost competitiveness (business funding), ?439m for Connectivity and Urban Development (including ?252M for transport), ?154m for renewable energy and energy efficiency.

All of which will (or would have) massively increased employment, educational opportunity and quality of life for the people of Wales.

I fear we must have slightly different definitions of "harebrained."

[malumbu]

Exactly, harebrained and unwanted.....

[malumbu]

Thinking more of this. As a pragmatist less developed parts of the country doing well out of the EU irrespective of a democratic deficit is a good thing. Noting that much of the above is infrastructure or supporting business thay may not instinctively appeal to the masses.

Great to have a more considered view.

[????]

Of course given we were (are) a net-contributor to the EU, then we were getting just some of our money back to be spent on what 'bureaucrats' in the EU decided needed spending on rather than us closer to home :)

[Alan Medic]

Isn't spending here dictated by where it's going to win votes?