dog locked out and distressed

[moondancer]

Whoever it is at the Whateley Road end of Ulverscroft Road who owns what sounds like a small dog which has been left out in the small garden to yap for hours, sounding bewildered confused and distressed, kindly have responsibility for your dog and consider: this situation is anti social and unneighbourly. The piercing sound penetrates double glazing.

The plaintive sound is distressing for those of us hearing it yet unable to locate the source.

[Angelina]

Rather than just how annoying it is for you, perhaps you might consider it's actually not on to leave dogs outside in the cold.

If this dog is still locked out come dark, please contact the police. It's the most common form of animal abuse.

[DulwichFox]

I live next door to the dog. I have looked over the fence and the dog is wagging it's tail at me.

I have knocked at the door as the owners sometimes work from home. there is no reply.

Even when the dog is left indoors, if the curtains are not drawn, it barks all day if the owners are out.

DulwichFox

[moondancer]

Angelina Wrote:

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> Rather than just how annoying it is for you,

> perhaps you might consider it's actually not on to

> leave dogs outside in the cold.

>

> If this dog is still locked out come dark, please

> contact the police. It's the most common form of

> animal abuse.

I believe you are unnecessarily admonishing a concerned neighbour. The sound of the dog yapping constitutes a nuisance.

However, welfare of said dog is hardly my responsibility. The day isn't cold which is a shame, as we would dearly like to have the windows open. You can dismount from your high horse now, Angelina. Should you wish to take up the case of the cold dog feel free.

[moondancer]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I live next door.

> I have looked over the fence and the dog is

> wagging it's tail at me.

> I have knocked at the door as the owners

> sometimes work from home. there is no reply.

>

> DulwichFox

Thank you Dulwich Fox. A large juicy bone would have kept him quiet for hours.

Good thing it isn't cold, rain hail sleet and snow.

[Sue]

Angelina Wrote:

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>

> If this dog is still locked out come dark, please

> contact the police. It's the most common form of

> animal abuse.

Surely this isn't a police matter??

Very sorry for the dog and for the neighbours, though.

[siousxiesue]

Noise & Nuisance

Tel: 020 7525 5777

Fax: 020 7525 2378

Email: noiseandnuisance@southwa

rk.gov.uk

This includes dogs barking, may be an easier route than animal welfare who knows. But worth reporting.

[siousxiesue]

I wonder if your neighbours read the forum Foxy? If so, lets hope they do something about the poor dog, or risk having a visit from animal welfare.

I'm happy to report in my name if you don't want to, PM details

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I live next door to the dog. I have looked over

> the fence and the dog is wagging it's tail at me.

> I have knocked at the door as the owners

> sometimes work from home. there is no reply.

>

> Even when the dog is left indoors, if the

> curtains are not drawn, it barks all day if the

> owners are out.

>

> DulwichFox

[DulwichFox]

siousxiesue Wrote:

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> I wonder if your neighbours read the forum Foxy?

> If so, lets hope they do something about the poor

> dog, or risk having a visit from animal welfare.

>

> I'm happy to report in my name if you don't want

> to, PM details

>

>

> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> -----

> > I live next door to the dog. I have looked over

> > the fence and the dog is wagging it's tail at

> me.

> > I have knocked at the door as the owners

> > sometimes work from home. there is no reply.

> >

> > Even when the dog is left indoors, if the

> > curtains are not drawn, it barks all day if the

> > owners are out.

> >

> > DulwichFox

My neighbours are decent intelligent people and I do not think for one minute they would deliberately be cruel to their pet dog.

The dog often sniffs around behind a new shed the tenants have just built and as a result may of been missed

when the occupants went out.

The dog is very friendly and appears well fed and looked after. It looks quite old.

My neighbour once locked himself out and was concerned about his dog being out in the garden (Summer time)

I let him through my place so he could climb over our fence.

I'll find out what happened next time I see my neighbours.. They are very approachable.

If there was any animal cruelty, I would be the first to report it.

Foxy

[KalamityKel]

moondancer Wrote:

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> Angelina Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Rather than just how annoying it is for you,

> > perhaps you might consider it's actually not on

> to

> > leave dogs outside in the cold.

> >

> > If this dog is still locked out come dark,

> please

> > contact the police. It's the most common form

> of

> > animal abuse.

>

> I believe you are unnecessarily admonishing a

> concerned neighbour. The sound of the dog yapping

> constitutes a nuisance.

> However, welfare of said dog is hardly my

> responsibility. The day isn't cold which is a

> shame, as we would dearly like to have the windows

> open. You can dismount from your high horse now,

> Angelina. Should you wish to take up the case of

> the cold dog feel free.

I'm confused here - who exactly is on their "high horse"?

moondancer, you are complaining about the dog yapping/making a noise which is a "nuisance" to you, yet someone mentions the welfare of the animal and you see fit to have a go at them? Is it really necessary to respond to others in this way? If that is how you choose to communicate with others, fair enough. It is a shame you then think someone is on their high horse for showing concern.

Yes a dog barking can be annoying, as can a noisy child, someone practising a loud instrument, building works etc. We live in a world where people/animals make noise. It is a way of life.

You've clearly said that the welfare of the animal in question is not your responsibility - I think you may be a little mistaken on that as welfare of any creature should be everyone's concern.

Is it just purely a case that the noise is a disturbance to you and you alone and that it is simply is not on regardless of the reasons behind the "nuisance" you are suffering? If the animal is not in distress then you, like everyone else in the area, will have to put up it for the time being.

Perhaps you should consider your own attitude which is coming across as rather antisocial and unneighbourly too.

[Penguin68]

Dogs bark for multiple reasons, I recall one nervous one that used to go berserk at a leaf falling, let alone anything like a door bell. Others are very territorial - barking at anything they see encroaching on 'their' space, including birds. Certainly some do bark because they are distressed/ locked out etc. but those aren't the only reasons. [And some do bark if they are lonely, but other than putting them down or giving them away there may be little that can be done about that, if you are working, unless you can afford to pay for someone to look after them when you are out of the house]. Some just seem to like the sound of their own voices... If a neighbour to this dog (who knows it and its family) doesn't think there is a 'cruelty' problem then I suspect that there isn't. The sound will still be annoying, of course, but while keeping dogs is till legal (where there is no cruelty involved) that's just something you may have to live with.

[Mick Mac]

As seen on tv, many owners are unaware of their dogs behaviour when they are not there.

Not suggesting its the case here, and foxy seems to think not, but some dogs are very upset when left alone.

Personally I think dog owners who leave their dogs alone for long periods should at least have a camera fitted on a test basis to check that their dogs are ok and not distressed.

[Jeremy]

KK... IMO Angelina's post had an accusatory tone to it, the OP can hardly be blamed for a prickly response.

While I agree that the welfare of a distressed animal is a concern, a bit of peace and quiet is not an unreasonable expectation.

[KalamityKel]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> KK... IMO Angelina's post had an accusatory tone

> to it, the OP can hardly be blamed for a prickly

> response.

>

> While I agree that the welfare of a distressed

> animal is a concern, a bit of peace and quiet is

> not an unreasonable expectation.

I appreciate that Jeremy, really I do, and certainly understand the frustration caused by such noises. I just think that living in an area such as ED, which is not the middle of the countryside, we can not expect to have peace and quiet all the time.

[moondancer]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> KK... IMO Angelina's post had an accusatory tone

> to it, the OP can hardly be blamed for a prickly

> response.

>

> While I agree that the welfare of a distressed

> animal is a concern, a bit of peace and quiet is

> not an unreasonable expectation.

Thank you Jeremy ! for your chivalrous and lucid response.

[moondancer]

KalamityKel Wrote:

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> moondancer Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Angelina Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Rather than just how annoying it is for you,

> > > perhaps you might consider it's actually not

> on

> > to

> > > leave dogs outside in the cold.

> > >

> > > If this dog is still locked out come dark,

> > please

> > > contact the police. It's the most common form

> > of

> > > animal abuse.

> >

> > I believe you are unnecessarily admonishing a

> > concerned neighbour. The sound of the dog

> yapping

> > constitutes a nuisance.

> > However, welfare of said dog is hardly my

> > responsibility. The day isn't cold which is a

> > shame, as we would dearly like to have the

> windows

> > open. You can dismount from your high horse

> now,

> > Angelina. Should you wish to take up the case

> of

> > the cold dog feel free.

>

> I'm confused here - who exactly is on their "high

> horse"?

> moondancer, you are complaining about the dog

> yapping/making a noise which is a "nuisance" to

> you, yet someone mentions the welfare of the

> animal and you see fit to have a go at them? Is

> it really necessary to respond to others in this

> way? If that is how you choose to communicate

> with others, fair enough. It is a shame you then

> think someone is on their high horse for showing

> concern.

> Yes a dog barking can be annoying, as can a noisy

> child, someone practising a loud instrument,

> building works etc. We live in a world where

> people/animals make noise. It is a way of life.

> You've clearly said that the welfare of the animal

> in question is not your responsibility - I think

> you may be a little mistaken on that as welfare of

> any creature should be everyone's concern.

> Is it just purely a case that the noise is a

> disturbance to you and you alone and that it is

> simply is not on regardless of the reasons behind

> the "nuisance" you are suffering? If the animal

> is not in distress then you, like everyone else in

> the area, will have to put up it for the time

> being.

> Perhaps you should consider your own attitude

> which is coming across as rather antisocial and

> unneighbourly too.

KK you should notice that I am ignoring your ill considered and combative post which defies my original. I never at any point said that this dog was barking.

[moondancer]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> Dogs bark for multiple reasons, I recall one

> nervous one that used to go berserk at a leaf

> falling, let alone anything like a door bell.

> Others are very territorial - barking at anything

> they see encroaching on 'their' space, including

> birds. Certainly some do bark because they are

> distressed/ locked out etc. but those aren't the

> only reasons. . Some just seem to like the sound

> of their own voices... If a neighbour to this dog

> (who knows it and its family) doesn't think there

> is a 'cruelty' problem then I suspect that there

> isn't. The sound will still be annoying, of

> course, but while keeping dogs is till legal

> (where there is no cruelty involved) that's just

> something you may have to live with.

with respect, I would emphatically suggest that this armour piercing yapping is not for any any human to live with.

I never at any point suggested that there was dog cruelty involved. Human aural cruelty should and will take precedence.

This is a matter for neighbours who suffer because of this hapless little dog. I am baffled as to how and why anyone would believe that this animal has more rights than humans.

[Sue]

moondancer Wrote:

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> I never at any point suggested that there was dog

> cruelty involved. Human aural cruelty should and

> will take precedence.

Precedence over what?

I am baffled as to how

> and why anyone would believe that this animal has

> more rights than humans.

I don't understand this. Could you explain please?

[Mystic Mog]

Yes, I would like to know what you mean too please Moondancer. It looks like Dulwich Fox is on the case, so let's hope for a happy outcome for all concerned.

[KalamityKel]

moondancer Wrote:

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> Penguin68 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Dogs bark for multiple reasons, I recall one

> > nervous one that used to go berserk at a leaf

> > falling, let alone anything like a door bell.

> > Others are very territorial - barking at

> anything

> > they see encroaching on 'their' space,

> including

> > birds. Certainly some do bark because they are

> > distressed/ locked out etc. but those aren't

> the

> > only reasons. . Some just seem to like the

> sound

> > of their own voices... If a neighbour to this

> dog

> > (who knows it and its family) doesn't think

> there

> > is a 'cruelty' problem then I suspect that

> there

> > isn't. The sound will still be annoying, of

> > course, but while keeping dogs is till legal

> > (where there is no cruelty involved) that's

> just

> > something you may have to live with.

> with respect, I would emphatically suggest that

> this armour piercing yapping is not for any any

> human to live with.

> I never at any point suggested that there was dog

> cruelty involved. Human aural cruelty should and

> will take precedence.

> This is a matter for neighbours who suffer because

> of this hapless little dog. I am baffled as to how

> and why anyone would believe that this animal has

> more rights than humans.

You don't sound like a particularly pleasant person - good luck on your mission, as seems the only solution to yourself, to remove the little furry creature from your life.

[DulwichFox]

Have spoken with my neighbour..

He went to work not knowing a visitor staying with him had let the dog out in the garden earlier.

The visitor forgot about the dog.

The dog is a Border Terrier similar to the pic. below.

Dog is fine. (Currently sleeping by the radiator.)

Was just missing some attention.

I mentioned that there had been some concern on EDF. He was upset that people might think he had been cruel.

and said he would NEVER be cruel to his dog.

DulwichFox

[Peckhampam]

It might be better for some posters, Angelina, Siousxiesue etc, to pause before rushing to conclusions and condemnations

[Mystic Mog]

Thanks Dulwich Fox.

[Angelina]

Glad all is well - thanks DF - you've gone above and beyond :-)

[Sue]

Thanks for the explanation, Foxy!!

Glad the dog is OK.