Yet Another Crash on Barry Road - Underhill Road Junction

[KidKruger]

Pulling out of Sylvester Rd onto Barry Rd to go South is a potential killer for me, I did it recently a few times at 06.15am and variable found myself in the path of a car, or in one case a no. 12 bendy bus,

The issue was that cars park close to the junction making you blind when pulling out. It was literally a game of roulette.

After finding myself 30ft in front of a no. 12 I changed my route.

The speed of the oncoming vehicle would gave meant a harder impact but the root fault at that spot was lack of VISIBILITY.

[kford]

I agree. No amount of expensive raised block paving will cure that. I could solve this junction's issues with two cans of yellow industrial road marking spray and a big roll of masking tape. Cost the council tax payer about ?15.

[James Barber]

Hi tiddles,

No changes to the current kerb line - the plans show the current kerb line its just the raising of th road at these points to meet the kerb height.

Hi Penguin68 & EDOliver,

We reviewed this junction and contrasted it with Barry Road/Upland Road junction which has had zero reported collissions versus Underhill/Barry Road 8 over the previous three years.

The idea is to copy the success of the zero collission junction.

You may be right on the impact of the changes but we have a hugely successful example in what appears very similar circumstance and copying it should resolve this collission hotspot. The one fly in the ointment is also getting a stop sign as per the UPland/Barry road junction.

Hi KidKruger,

Sounds a frigtful experience.

The junction of Silvester with Barry Road has no reported collissions over the previous three years. Hard to work on impriving such a juncton when we've yet to exhaustively fix other junction with reported collissions.

[Mellors]

The Upland/Barry Rd junction is completely different.

a) there isn't nearly as much traffic going across it. Upland north of Barry Rd doesn't really go anywhere (Henslowe which only takes you back to Underhill) or round pas the school and back onto Peckham Rye, so its not often used in that direction. Equally going south you only have traffic coming round from Peckham Rye (Henslowe is one way, not exiting from that end), which just goes straight on down there instead of across the junction.

b) the barry Rd through traffic is already slowing down/not got up much speed because its near the end of Barry Rd, all the buses stop just past either side of the junction, and the traffic lights by the off licence are used much more frequently.

Its not a like for like comparison in any sense.

[indiepanda]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Pulling out of Sylvester Rd onto Barry Rd to go

> South is a potential killer for me, I did it

> recently a few times at 06.15am and variable found

> myself in the path of a car, or in one case a no.

> 12 bendy bus,

> The issue was that cars park close to the junction

> making you blind when pulling out. It was

> literally a game of roulette.

> After finding myself 30ft in front of a no. 12 I

> changed my route.

> The speed of the oncoming vehicle would gave meant

> a harder impact but the root fault at that spot

> was lack of VISIBILITY.

Yes, I've had problems at this junction too - end up inching out veeery slowly. Cars are allowed to park far too close to the junction for you to be able to see past them to approaching traffic. I actually find this one more nerve wracking than the one with Underhill although I agree that one is an issue too.

[James Barber]

Hi Mellors,

That's what I thouht but it used to have collissions before the current set-up.

Frankly nearly everything in the traffic council officers armoury is being thrown at this junction after everything considered during a long meeting on site.

Lets get these two entry treatments. Try for the STOP signs. See what happens. I'm hopeful it will do the trick and can then concentrate on other collissions sites.

[James Barber]

The Underhill Road/Barry Road junction improvements will take place starting 4 April and take five weeks.

Effectively each side of this junction will have what is called an entry treatment where the road is raised to the level of pavement. These 'vertical deflection' each side of Barry Road on Underhill Road slowing vehicles down and this is expected to drastically reduce the frequency and severity of collisions.

So from Friday 8 April this junction should be signififcantly safer.

The final part of the jugsaw will then be changing the Give way to stop signs...

[TonyQuinn]

Mr Barber. Since I've been going on about Barry Road for years, ever since someone woke us in the middle of the night having crashed into Barry's shop, I must applaud you for the work you have done and am greatly gladenned to hear of this development. It really is a shame you're a Liberal and will soon be extinct. You have time to defect and maybe continue on your political journey. All the best. TQ

[Penguin68]

James

You wrote that the work would take 5 weeks and things would be improved by Friday April 8th - do you mean 5 days or, as I fear, 8th May

[James Barber]

Apologies and thank you Penguin68.

Yes, I meant Friday 8 May.

[treehugger]

Can I just add (not sure if it has been raised before in thsi thread) that the automatic sign that indicates to cars that they are speeding as they go up Barry Road is not working (it is near the bottom on the left as you go up, almost opposite Barry's minimart).

I am sure it had an effect on speeding cars as they zoomed up the road....Is it going to be fixed? To whom should I report it?

[James Barber]

Hi treehugger,

Could you please report it to me ideally with the lamp post number or precise location so that council contractros can quickly find it.

Their is a type of this sign that is no longer maintained. But council officers will be able to tell us that once inspected. If it is one of the defunct types I'll ask for it to be removed.

[trentk69]

Five weeks! What are they planning on doing here? Building and under and over pass?

I guess I should be happy that something is going to be done about this, but on the other hand, I can just imagine the nightmare this junction, and Barry road is going to be with the remedial work taking this long, and the building work that is being undertaken at the old timber yard, with various concrete trucks and lorry deliveries.

Oh, good grief.

Thanks to James though, for finally getting some council action on this junction.

[ruffers]

Can't win eh? ;-)