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[JohnL]

There is a protest at 5:30 outside Parliament if anyone feels like it.

I'm not in the right mood.

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Brulysses Wrote:

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> Do not prorogue Parliament petition:

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> https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

>

> up to 85,000 as I write this.

Up to 550,000 now, sounds like Ruth Davidson is going to resign.

[IlonaM]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/08/28/hugh-grants-nsfw-rant-is-everyones-favourite-boris-johnson-takedown-right-now/

[TheCat]

nxjen Wrote:

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> Seems ironic that democracy is suspended to enable

> democracy ?the will of the people?. Clearly a

> selective democracy.

Unfortunately, it appears that very few people on either side of this debate actually give a f#*k about democracy. They just care about getting the outcome they want, whether that's leave or remain.

When leavers were trumpeting the need to respect the democracy of the referendum result, remainers would clutch at straws like 'it was only advisory' or 'it was only 52 percent'...democracy not really a prime concern.

Now, with the profoundly undemocratic parliamentary suspension, it's leavers clutching at straws trying to justify the suspension of parliament, similarly democracy not a prime concern.

Sadly shows how toxic this entire debate has become...very few (on either side) seem to care for process or principle as long as they get their preferred outcome.....

[cella]

Even if you believe that to be true, surely only one "side" has the greater good in mind rather than a quick financial gain the others have in mind?

[diable rouge]

TheCat Wrote:

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> When leavers were trumpeting the need to respect

> the democracy of the referendum result, remainers

> would clutch at straws like 'it was only advisory'...

That was a very important point though, had the referendum not been advisory it would have been anulled due to the Leave campaign breaking electoral spending rules. The Electoral Commission's hands were tied precisely because it was ''only advisory''.

> Sadly shows how toxic this entire debate has

> become...

Very true, but this has been the doing of the Leave side from the word go. When we needed a Gov to try and unify the country behind a version of Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote, which a lot of Remainers would've accepted at the time, we instead got May's red lines and the voice of Remain ignored and replaced with insults such as 'citizen's of nowhere', 'queue jumpers', 'enemies of the people' and so on. Now Johnson, despite promising to do the opposite, has managed to divide the country even more. Whatever the outcome it will take a very long time to heal this disunited kingdom, what's left of it...

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

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> > Sadly shows how toxic this entire debate has

> > become...

>

> Very true, but this has been the doing of the

> Leave side from the word go. When we needed a Gov

> to try and unify the country behind a version of

> Brexit that reflected the closeness of the vote,

> which a lot of Remainers would've accepted at the

> time, we instead got May's red lines and the voice

> of Remain ignored and replaced with insults such

> as 'citizen's of nowhere', 'queue jumpers',

> 'enemies of the people' and so on. Now Johnson,

> despite promising to do the opposite, has managed

> to divide the country even more. Whatever the

> outcome it will take a very long time to heal this

> disunited kingdom, what's left of it...

I think you and I have had a version of this discussion before:) I dont disagree. Very sad indeed.

On a positive note, as an EU immigrant, I received my settled status last week, so you'll have to put up with me on here for some time yet. Until they change their mind and deport me:)

[cella]

Surely given your personal circumstances your view defy belief.

[peckman]

Well done the cat ! You paying your taxes ? You contributing to society and community ? If course you are !! Let's establish that most people wherever they are from just want to work and have and provide a good life for their family

[diable rouge]

Just leaving this here, no prizes for guessing who said it quite recently...

I would like to make it absolutely clear that I am not attracted to arcane procedures such as the prorogation of Parliament. As someone who aspires to be the PM of a democratic nation, I believe in finding consensus in the House of Commons.

[uncleglen]

cella Wrote:

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> Even if you believe that to be true, surely only

> one "side" has the greater good in mind rather

> than a quick financial gain the others have in

> mind?

What- you mean the big city Remainiacs who are enjoying the financial gain of rising house prices, massive rental income increases for rich landlords, extremely cheap building work costs, as opposed to the majority who have suffered massively from increased immigration, massive job losses in the building trade as they cannot afford to compete with east europeans living 10 to a house in East London because they have children and a mortgage- you have NO idea - look at what Hugh Grant said- he has already feathered his own nest so he, like other rich commies before him (like Vanessa Redgrave, Robert Powell etc etc etc) do not suffer ONE JOT from the perils of the EU socialist experiment (federal states of Europe is what adolf wanted btw) so he can virtue signal to his heart's content the ignorant fool

[Siduhe]

I'm not sure if this is really the result of the current live poll in the Times or a clever joke, but it did make me smile:

[sjsl]

I've signed the petition, but reckon now the Queen is involved it might be worth dropping her a line. Apparently she takes a keen interest in all the letters she receives, and it seems fair to let her know how one feels. I'm gonna give it a go anyway... her address is attached in case of interest.

[cella]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > Even if you believe that to be true, surely

> only

> > one "side" has the greater good in mind rather

> > than a quick financial gain the others have in

> > mind?

>

> What- you mean the big city Remainiacs who are

> enjoying the financial gain of rising house

> prices, massive rental income increases for rich

> landlords, extremely cheap building work costs, as

> opposed to the majority who have suffered

> massively from increased immigration, massive job

> losses in the building trade as they cannot afford

> to compete with east europeans living 10 to a

> house in East London because they have children

> and a mortgage- you have NO idea - look at what

> Hugh Grant said- he has already feathered his own

> nest so he, like other rich commies before him

> (like Vanessa Redgrave, Robert Powell etc etc etc)

> do not suffer ONE JOT from the perils of the EU

> socialist experiment (federal states of Europe is

> what adolf wanted btw) so he can virtue signal to

> his heart's content the ignorant fool

Great stuff - everything under one umbrella! Haven't heard from Robert Powell in many a year. You'll be down in your cups with Dulwich Fox in one of Lordship Lane hostelries in a very short time.

[cella]

Great stuff UncleGlen - everything under one umbrella! Haven't heard from Robert Powell in many a year. You'll be down in your cups with Dulwich Fox in one of Lordship Lane hostelries in a very short time.

[DulwichFox]

One thing worth mentioning :

The economy of Switzerland is one of the world's most advanced free market economies.

Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which is surprisingly not a member of the EU.

Not a lot of people realise that.

The UK will prosper once we finally get out. It might take a while after 40 years of Brussels Rule.

DulwichFox

[Jenny1]

Ah. So you're not a No-Dealer after all DF! You advocate the Swiss Model, one well-known model of 'soft Brexit'. That still leaves a number of problems though, doesn't it? How would you get past those?

[JohnL]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> Ah. So you're not a No-Dealer after all DF! You

> advocate the Swiss Model, one well-known model of

> 'soft Brexit'. That still leaves a number of

> problems though, doesn't it? How would you get

> past those?

Takes me back to Darren Grime's flying visit to Switzerland where he extolled the virtues of the Schengen Area without realising it much to twitters hilarity.

[JohnL]

More seriously Dominic Cummings has apparently lost his rag and fired one of Sajid Javid's staff for socialising with Phillip Hammond's friends.

The man seems to have a fiery temper.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/sajid-javid-was-not-told-in-advance-of-advisers-sacking-by-cummings

[Sephiroth]

Foxy combining arrogance and ignorance

?

Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which is surprisingly not a member of the EU.

Not a lot of people realise that?

A lot of people do realise that. It also is a member of schengen and has physical infrastructure at its borders with the eu. So how do you square those issues with ?your? Brexit? Do you want free movement of people? And do you want physical infrastructure in Ireland?

[peckman]

Dont listen to df !! Ive fallen for his nonsense and got into his debate .. dont engage with this miserable old sod

[peckman]

Dulwich fox basically wants borders around east dulwich. He forgets that all the curry houses he uses are staffed by immigrants.

[Sephiroth]

Ah but not eu immigrants!

patel?s promise to make life easier for Bangladeshis around the time of the referendum - that worked out well

[pk]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> One thing worth mentioning :

>

> The economy of Switzerland is one of the world's

> most advanced free market economies.

>

> Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which

> is surprisingly not a member of the EU.

>

> Not a lot of people realise that.

>

> The UK will prosper once we finally get out. It

> might take a while after 40 years of Brussels

> Rule.

>

> DulwichFox

Have you looked into the lengthy and difficult recent negotiations between the EU and the Swiss around financial markets access at all (financial services being key to the Swiss economy)?

Of course you have - you know loads about Switzerland that not a lot of people know, how do you think that?ll work out?

[DulwichFox]

peckman Wrote:

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> Dulwich fox basically wants borders around east dulwich.

DF: What are you talking about. ???

He forgets that all the curry houses he uses are staffed by immigrants.

DF:

Are they all immigrants. ?? Are they all illegal ?? NO.. Some of the owners / staff have lived here for 40+ years.

I believe it is YOU that has problems with immigration. with your above statement.

I am not at all concerned about Immigration.

African, Jamaican, Turkish, Kurdish, Greek, Indian, Bangladeshi. What ever

My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do with Immigration or Xenophobia.