Brexit View

[DulwichFox]

peckman Wrote:

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> Whatever happens and whatever your view this usnt

> going to end well . What's Cameron doing these

> days ?

Probably the same as Tony Blair. Making a killing. Both of them Multi millionaires ???

[pk]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> ...most people who voted leave are

> people who have somehow been dispossessed by free

> movement

So they voted based on immigration then?

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> How do you know racists voted to leave ?- (mind

> you most people don't actually know the definition

> of racist)...most people who voted leave are

> people who have somehow been dispossessed by free

> movement, for example they are tradesmen who have

> lost work (I know of at least 6 that fall into

> that category) and STILL have mortgages and

> children to raise so cannot UNDERCUT their

> fees...again the Remainiacs resort to personal

> insults

The group that is now running government believe British workers are just lazy and said so in 2012.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/britannia-unchained-boris-johnson-ministers-book

(The authors include Elizabeth Truss and Dominic Raab, The other contributors to Britannia Unchained are Priti Patel, Chris Skidmore and Kwasi Kwarteng)

[Jenny1]

An informative David Allen Green thread on Brexit, The Tories and The Constitution. He charts how we got to the point today of a government minister saying that the government does not necessarily have to comply with the law.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1168108396605857792

I take it you've gone off the whole 'Swiss Model' idea Dulwich Fox? Or maybe just didn't see my question to you about it above?

[peckman]

Cant we just shake hands and agree this is a stupid idea ..

[diable rouge]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I take it you've gone off the whole 'Swiss Model'

> idea Dulwich Fox? Or maybe just didn't see my

> question to you about it above?

Google didn't have an answer to your question Jenny...

[Jenny1]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Google didn't have an answer to your question

> Jenny...

Maybe. But to be fair I don't think anyone has an answer to the question of how we could both carry out a 'Swiss Model' 'Soft Brexit' and also conform to the Good Friday Agreement.

[Jenny1]

@borderirish. Always good for a laugh.

[Sephiroth]

Uncle glen

Perhaps you could match up the tradespeople with all of the people I know who want to hire tradespeople butvare constantly good job is too small or they are booked out for 6 months

[peckman]

I'm getting to the point of just thinking let's the brexit people have there way .. completely fuck it up and ride it out for 5 years or so .. most the Brexit voters will be dead by then or see there towns decimated . I feel sorry for the kids .. this and the environment .. we have let them down

[TheCat]

peckman Wrote:

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> I'm getting to the point of just thinking let's

> the brexit people have there way .. completely

> @#$%& it up and ride it out for 5 years or so ..

> most the Brexit voters will be dead by then or see

> there towns decimated . I feel sorry for the kids

> .. this and the environment .. we have let them

> down

Geez some of you guys rile each other up in your little echo chamber in here don't you. I know you disagree with brexit, I respect that, but get a grip.

If the nation survived the global financial crisis when the entire financial system was on the brink of collapse - we will manage not being in the European Union. I'm not saying it will be milk and honey, it will be a very tough road, the transition was and still is always the biggest short term risk and concern. But the way that some of you on here talk you'd think the 5 horsemen of the apocalypse are on their way. It's like you all compete to express how disastrous you think brexit will be.

Get some perspective.

[Loutwo]

Unfortunately some people don?t have perspective. That?s the problem.

Louisa.

[diable rouge]

TheCat Wrote:

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> If the nation survived the global financial crisis

> when the entire financial system was on the brink

> of collapse - we will manage not being in the

> European Union.

Big difference, the credit crunch wasn't self-inflicted and the country wasn't divided by it. If you think it's bad now, it's going to get a lot worse whatever happens...

[Jenny1]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Big difference, the credit crunch wasn't

> self-inflicted and the country wasn't divided by

> it. If you think it's bad now, it's going to get a

> lot worse whatever happens...

Indeed. It's inexcusable for the government to knowingly inflict harm on the country when they have a clear choice not to do so.

[peckman]

We are basically turning our backs on the biggest trading block over a small channel .. aas for gove and boris ... the cat .. let's be honest.. can you honestly look your kids and grandkids in the eyes and say this was a good decision because 52 9ercent of people on a snapshot of time decided on this

[Sephiroth]

I love Lou telling everyone to calm down having admitted she hadnt the first f@@@ing clue what she was on about in the referendum.

Loads of leave voters were concerned about deals Lou. They were repeatedly reassured by leave leaders like Hannan telling them ?absolutely no one is talking about leaving the single market? and they would have voted accordingly

Many of them have changed their minds and it?s democratic to allow them to express that. Maybe some remainers would now vote leave - but anyone pretending that THIS is what 51.x percent of the population voted for is full of shit

The governments own internal forecasts are not simply a ?rocky road?. They spell chaos for the country

And as jenny and others have said, all it does is leave you back needing to negotiate a deal. And then what? Oh then you will blame others again - never ever accepting this is all on you for voting leave and not seeking ratification

[Loutwo]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I love Lou telling everyone to calm down having

> admitted she hadnt the first f@@@ing clue what she

> was on about in the referendum.

>

> Loads of leave voters were concerned about deals

> Lou. They were repeatedly reassured by leave

> leaders like Hannan telling them ?absolutely no

> one is talking about leaving the single market?

> and they would have voted accordingly

>

> Many of them have changed their minds and it?s

> democratic to allow them to express that. Maybe

> some remainers would now vote leave - but anyone

> pretending that THIS is what 51.x percent of the

> population voted for is full of shit

>

> The governments own internal forecasts are not

> simply a ?rocky road?. They spell chaos for the

> country

>

> And as jenny and others have said, all it does is

> leave you back needing to negotiate a deal. And

> then what? Oh then you will blame others again -

> never ever accepting this is all on you for voting

> leave and not seeking ratification

I was never concerned with a deal. Most leave voters didn?t give it a second thought Sephiroth. I think all the hysteria being created on here is way more frightening than any no deal outcome. London?s liberal elite once again out of touch with what most of the rest of the country thinks.

Louisa.

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I love Lou telling everyone to calm down having

> admitted she hadnt the first f@@@ing clue what she

> was on about in the referendum.

>

> Loads of leave voters were concerned about deals

> Lou. They were repeatedly reassured by leave

> leaders like Hannan telling them ?absolutely no

> one is talking about leaving the single market?

> and they would have voted accordingly

>

> Many of them have changed their minds and it?s

> democratic to allow them to express that. Maybe

> some remainers would now vote leave - but anyone

> pretending that THIS is what 51.x percent of the

> population voted for is full of shit

>

> The governments own internal forecasts are not

> simply a ?rocky road?. They spell chaos for the

> country

>

> And as jenny and others have said, all it does is

> leave you back needing to negotiate a deal. And

> then what? Oh then you will blame others again -

> never ever accepting this is all on you for voting

> leave and not seeking ratificbree

It must be great knowing the future with such unerring certainty as you do.

You don't like brexit. You reckon it's bad. Real bad. Fine - that's a more than reasonable position to take.

But your unerring belief in every word you type (ranging from knowing the entire thought process of leave voters, to deadly accurate predictions for the economy), with no concession or quarter given to any opposing view smacks of blinkered dogma, rather the considered, balanced judgement.

[Sephiroth]

Lou. You can?t speak for most leave voters but if you were representative and most voters thought like you themnit goes some way to explaining why remainers say you didn?t know what you?re were voting for - because that?s literally what you are saying

You can?t just cry liberal London elite at everything you don?t like. The governments own internal papers paint a very very very bad picture (of a country that lest we forget, lost it?s shit when kfc ran out of chicken)

You continue to wave everything away just so you can say in the future ?but no one was talking about that then?. You will back up any half arsed Hitler/eu garbage but faced with actual reality and probability of. I deal, you don?t examine your record in this and think ?maybe I, Louisa, don?t know what I?m talking about sometimes?

[Sephiroth]

Cat. I?m expressing more than my views - they are a combination of government forecasts, most economists and other countries and anyone with a reasonably intelligent view of how this would pan out

But of course I could be wrong. And how embarrassed will I be then? I?ll be mortified but relieved.

Ah but if you are wrong? Well then, that?s a different story isn?t it? Your embarrassment won?t be enough to account for the problems we face

[Jenny1]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> I was never concerned with a deal

OK...but how can you possibly know the following?

Most leave

> voters didn?t give it a second thought

[Sephiroth]

There is a reason Gove and co keep using the phrase ?people will get the food they need?

[Jenny1]

I notice that The British Retail Consortium have said Gove is wrong about that today....

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Cat. I?m expressing more than my views - they are

> a combination of government forecasts, most

> economists and other countries and anyone with a

> reasonably intelligent view of how this would pan

> out

>

> But of course I could be wrong. And how

> embarrassed will I be then? I?ll be mortified but

> relieved.

>

> Ah but if you are wrong? Well then, that?s a

> different story isn?t it? Your embarrassment won?t

> be enough to account for the problems we face

I won't be embarrassed at all. I've stated clearly on this forum and also many others, that the decision was a very difficult one, I did my own independent research, and on balance I came down on the side of Leave. But was eyes wide open that this came with risks attached. My reasons were largely long term, so we won't really know if I'm wrong for a good 15-20 years. I said that the transition will likely send us into recession in the short-term, and it was a cost I was prepared to wear for the benefits longer term as I saw them (please don't ask me to repeat what they are, you can go through my posting history on this thread if you are really interested).so I won't be embarrassed, but will be disappointed of course.

But in anycase, given this looks like happening regardless of your views, let's hope we're all fine, and you are embarrassed:)

[Sephiroth]

prepared to put people through this for decades?

People will die. Be it because of resumption of the troubles. Or food/medicine shortages

And you won?t even be embarrassed? You should be prosecuted