Can the Pope change the Lords prayer

[JohnL]

OK I'm not very religious but for those who are especially Catholics - can he ?

He says Satan leads us into temptation, not God, but Satan comes under Gods domain IMHO - they even had a friendly chat about Job once (I went to Sunday school for years which is why I have an interest).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed

[uncleglen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> OK I'm not very religious but for those who are

> especially Catholics - can he ?

>

> He says Satan leads us into temptation, not God,

> but Satan comes under Gods domain IMHO - they even

> had a friendly chat about Job once (I went to

> Sunday school for years which is why I have an

> interest).

>

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead

> -us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-praye

> r-changed

According to the article the French are already using a different phrase- the French always do what they want anyway.

This world is in utter turmoil DUE to religion...any of which is about as true as fairies in the bottom of my garden- anyway the Norse stuff is much more fun

The homophobia that goes on in the catholic 'faith' schools is anti-so-called -Christian imho and the poor old tax payer of the UK helps perpetuate the rubbish by having to fund it. I went to Sunday school for years but fortunately my day school had some decent intelligent teachers who actually went out of their way to help us youngsters realise that religion is a pile of crap invented by old men to get control and power (much like politics really but the threat of hell fire and all that clap trap added another dimension of fear- although the extreme left use fear about when the revolution comes!!)

[Loz]

Well someone has been changing it - when I was a kid it started "Our Father, who art in heaven...".

[Alan Medic]

I'd have to disagree with the Pope.If God* created the universe and put us here, well he sure made it hard not to be tempted. Blaming it on old Nick* is akin to switching the light off and blaming the dark for being.....well,dark.

* Not saying I believe in the existence of either of these

[nxjen]

I?ve always thought ?lead us not into temptation? was the same as ?keep us from succumbing to temptation?.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I must be older than you, Loz. When I was a kid it was "which art"

[OutOfFocus]

Prob more a statement of how traditional school you went to. I remember both.

"who art" was certainly around before 1928.

Maybe the Pope would prefer "let us not?be led?into temptation" which is what Stone set 1565

[rendelharris]

I was taught at primary school that the meaning of "lead us not into temptation" was that one was asking God to lead us away from temptation, i.e. a translation/expansion would read "Lead us so that we can follow you away from temptation." Even as a small child I remember thinking it'd surely be a bit easier if God just abolished the old temptation in the first place...

[Blah Blah]

It's all bollox anyway. There is no God or Satan. Who cares what some old geezer in the Vatican thinks :D

[Seabag]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> It's all bollox anyway. There is no God or Satan.

> Who cares what some old geezer in the Vatican

> thinks :D

Next you?ll be telling us there?s no Father Christmas

🙄

[Blah Blah]

HA HA. Yeah him too :D

[Loz]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

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> I must be older than you, Loz. When I was a kid

> it was "which art"

Either that or my memory is going (and to be fair, that is probably the more likely explanation).

[Earl Aelfheah]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> I was taught at primary school that the meaning of

> "lead us not into temptation" was that one was

> asking God to lead us away from temptation, i.e. a

> translation/expansion would read "Lead us so that

> we can follow you away from temptation." Even as

> a small child I remember thinking it'd surely be a

> bit easier if God just abolished the old

> temptation in the first place...

But that would remove free will - which is apparently His gift to us. There is of course the argument that all things can only really exist in opposition. Without cold, how would you know warmth for example?

In terms of changing the prayer - my understanding is that the Pope can do what he likes. He's God's envoy on earth and as such has a hotline to Him upstairs.

[Earl Aelfheah]

.. he's also infallible apparently.

[Earl Aelfheah]

...Much like Dulwich Fox.